From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Deniz Dogan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unable to close a bug in the tracker. Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:41:11 +0100 Message-ID: <7b501d5c1001140141i4de045bma15759d59e442dfe@mail.gmail.com> References: <87iqb5o7ie.fsf@red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1263462142 15364 80.91.229.12 (14 Jan 2010 09:42:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 14 10:42:14 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NVMDV-0003ZR-Hs for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:42:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56674 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NVMDW-00076C-9D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:42:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NVMCs-0006uW-EY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:41:34 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NVMCr-0006tw-8b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:41:33 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51060 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NVMCr-0006tr-3O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:41:33 -0500 Original-Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.148]:44886) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NVMCq-0000E1-Lr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:41:32 -0500 Original-Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so103808eyg.34 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:41:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=v3ZvlR+IUeQVL1lXXpUT7obdZjNPN2hREOrjk43M3HM=; b=K2w5RYq0V6YppM/14WSZu5dVfO7f1Y1ciqzwyOmJ16Sy4nI+hbX3vxf6XvldZWZgIN mmqu7pknPNIh6pYdCLDUFlNt/FBnqylOLfimPUdU/nhT0K+amEkuvXzL8suBB5IV5zRe lTB8nMA+UxELyfA7oYO7SARReM5yjgzCKbATY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=Qxy6JvoGXN9FR+wlgJBPVLfpkzA5JMVYi6JqfYCwe4gR/wLI1wgTeCcv3dhcBHnUHL Oet94EWKvIXT1BLI1OowJUWdJBwOeOgP0CeSnRIu597BXqEmLB9LxntIU71H6hqMvlb3 QCmaKJHJIyMmacqkiozolUMDTqgqmU631Gluo= Original-Received: by 10.213.110.201 with SMTP id o9mr585557ebp.35.1263462091230; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:41:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87iqb5o7ie.fsf@red-bean.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119982 Archived-At: 2010/1/14 Karl Fogel : > [snip] I agree with virtually everything you said. What _really_ bothers me about this bug tracking system (and I guess I'm going out on a limb here) is that _some_ people are so stuck on reading/adding/commenting on bugs using e-mail that A LOT of other potential contributors to Emacs get sort of left out. It is NOT an easy task to add a ticket to the bug tracker today (with all the tags and what-not that needs to be right). It is NOT an easy thing to change the meta-data of a bug either. "Commenting" on a ticket is nearly as difficult. Therefore, in my opinion, given the variety of bug tracking systems that exist today, it was a huge mistake to make the e-mailing facility the primary criteria even though it _is_ nice to be able to keep "M-x report-emacs-bug" as simplistic as it is today. I understand that some people, *cough*, don't use a web browser, but guess what, 99.999 percent of all Internet users today do use one. So don't leave them out! -- Deniz Dogan