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From: Deniz Dogan <deniz.a.m.dogan@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
	Daniel Colascione <danc@merrillpress.com>,
	Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com>, Emacs-Devel devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2?
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:46:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7b501d5c0908092346w73956950q9ef3090ba9ddf3a2@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvbpmo4c68.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

2009/8/10 Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>:
>>> Why not fix bugs in js2-mode? Having two packages providing similar
>>> features is a burden to maintainers as well as users.
>
>> Because js2-mode is an abomination? Oh, it's not so bad that it's slow
>> and unmaintained: that description applies to lots of code in Emacs.
>> The problem is that js2-mode operates fundamentally differently from
>> other modes, eschews font-lock, parses the buffer *asynchronously*,
>> and generally goes against every possible convention for implementing
>> a major mode.
>
> Here's the story as I remember it: a year or two ago, someone asked for
> a Javascript major mode to be included.  It sounded like a good idea,
> and some people pointed out the then-brand-new js2-mode which was pretty
> impressive featurewise.
> Then time passed and js2-mode didn't get installed early enough.  So it
> finally got installed recently.  I think it's good.  AFAIK its author is
> still around and maintaining it (he's the one who installed it into the
> CVS and he made some changes at this occasion, such as bringing all the
> code into a single file).
> So I do believe js2-mode is maintained.  Also, while it it unusual,
> I think it's a very interesting experiment in how Emacs could evolve
> (similarly to CEDET).

Yes, it seems to be maintained now. Last time I checked a new version
had not been released for a year or so.

> This also means that an alternative javascript-mode might be acceptable.
> But you guys need to agree on which one will be the default mode (I
> suggest to make auto-mode-alist bind *.js files to javascript-mode and
> then make that into an alias that can easily be changed).  Also the
> alternative mode needs to be as lean/simple/clean as possible (e.g. when
> bumping into limitations of the generic Emacs support code, it'd be
> better to live with it until it gets fixed (and/or get the generic code
> fixed) than trying to work around it).

I see no reason to make javascript-mode the default for JavaScript
files. I definitely think espresso-mode would be a better choice, even
though users would have to see "Espresso" in the mode line, which
could possibly confuse some people, but that's the only drawback as
far as I'm concerned. What I would really *not* like to see though is
js2-mode as the default.

-- 
Deniz Dogan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-10  6:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-09 23:34 Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2? Deniz Dogan
2009-08-09 23:38 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:46   ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-09 23:50     ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-09 23:56       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:56       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-09 23:55     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-09 23:58       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  0:00         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:06           ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  0:17             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:46               ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  0:55                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  0:18         ` Leo
2009-08-10  0:49           ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  7:06           ` Carsten Dominik
2009-08-10  8:44             ` Leo
2009-08-10  8:54               ` CHENG Gao
2009-08-10  9:26                 ` Leo
2009-08-10 10:22                   ` Richard Riley
2009-08-10 15:21                   ` eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?) Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10 17:01                     ` Drew Adams
2009-08-10 17:21                       ` eval-after-load not harmful after all Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11  0:43                       ` eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?) Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11  0:46                         ` Drew Adams
2009-08-11 14:06                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 15:08                           ` eval-after-load not harmful after all Stefan Monnier
2009-08-16 21:43                             ` Leo
2009-08-17  0:34                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-17 11:44                                 ` Leo
2009-08-17 11:55                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-17 12:26                                     ` Leo
2009-08-17 14:40                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  0:53                         ` eval-after-load not harmful after all (Was: Re: Why js-2mode?) Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  3:06                         ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  9:17                           ` Leo
2009-08-11 14:37                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-10 10:41               ` Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2? Carsten Dominik
2009-08-10 13:04                 ` Leo
2009-08-10 14:55                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11  1:13                 ` Glenn Morris
2009-08-11  3:02                   ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  4:28                     ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-11  4:33                       ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  4:39                         ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-11  4:45                           ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11  4:37                     ` Glenn Morris
2009-08-10  2:47         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  2:55           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 13:12             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  0:32   ` Leo
2009-08-10  0:48     ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  2:55       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  3:24         ` Miles Bader
2009-08-10  3:27           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10  3:45             ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10  5:18             ` Jason Rumney
2009-08-10  5:51           ` Xah Lee
2009-08-10  6:22             ` Xah Lee
2009-08-10  6:59               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-10 11:01             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 17:35             ` "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth Daniel Colascione
2009-08-10 18:04               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 20:42                 ` David Engster
2009-08-10 20:51                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 22:06                     ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-10 22:19                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  1:50                         ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-11  6:47                           ` Steve Yegge
2009-08-11  9:17                             ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 12:13                             ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 14:37                               ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 14:49                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 14:57                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 14:53                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 15:08                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 15:36                                   ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 15:56                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 15:54                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 17:00                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 17:19                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 15:57                                   ` Miles Bader
2009-08-11 17:06                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-11 14:50                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-11 15:06                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 15:11                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 15:16                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2009-08-11 15:44                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 18:04                                   ` joakim
2009-08-11 18:08                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11 19:12                                       ` joakim
2009-08-11 17:09                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 16:04                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-11 18:10                               ` Edward O'Connor
2009-08-12  1:58                               ` Steve Yegge
2009-08-12 13:48                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-08-12 16:07                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-12 22:08                                   ` Steve Yegge
2009-08-14  1:22                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-12  2:16                               ` Eric M. Ludlam
2009-08-12  6:43                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-08-12 11:28                                   ` Xah Lee
2010-11-23 14:43                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-12 15:21                               ` asynchronous parsing (was: "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth) Ted Zlatanov
2009-08-12 17:16                                 ` asynchronous parsing joakim
2009-08-12 19:39                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-08-12 20:01                                     ` joakim
2009-08-13  2:51                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-13 14:51                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2009-08-11 19:48                           ` "Font-lock is limited to text matching" is a myth Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 18:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10 18:55                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-11  3:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10 14:49           ` Why js2-mode in Emacs 23.2? Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10  6:46         ` Deniz Dogan [this message]
2009-08-10 14:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-10 14:05       ` Stephen Eilert
2009-08-10 14:37         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-08-10 14:42           ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-10 19:12           ` Stephen Eilert
2009-08-10 14:41         ` Deniz Dogan
2009-08-10 14:57           ` Lennart Borgman

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