From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chad Brown Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: moving x-select* Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:28:50 -0700 Message-ID: <7FAEE0D9-1F20-4B8A-8408-ACA5C21727BB@mit.edu> References: <19651.37838.815906.240014@fencepost.gnu.org> <28mxpzgeey.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iq0n6jwp.fsf@gnu.org> <4CC90AEE.7020608@gnu.org> <87lj5iift2.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1288279859 2854 80.91.229.12 (28 Oct 2010 15:30:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 28 17:30:56 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PBURL-00088k-Qi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:30:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48241 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PBURL-0006EI-3e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:30:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57542 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PBUPS-0005KE-0b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:28:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PBUPQ-00054f-OM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:28:57 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu ([18.9.25.14]:63648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PBUPO-00052j-Kr; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:28:54 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190e-b7b3bae000000a71-22-4cc996b58a84 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.36]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with SMTP id FB.6E.02673.5B699CC4; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id o9SFSrKv010654; Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:28:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-71-231-113-235.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.231.113.235]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id o9SFSoZM026263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 28 Oct 2010 11:28:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87lj5iift2.fsf@home.jasonrumney.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAARZ9Dm8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:132164 Archived-At: On Oct 28, 2010, at 6:54 AM, Jason Rumney wrote: > Chad Brown writes: > >> I hate to be a bikeshedding nay-sayer, but there are a fair number of new >> touch-based UIs support selections without necessarily supporting pointing >> mouse cursor-like concepts (Android being an obvious potential candidate). > > A touchscreen is a pointing device - that is why I did not say mouse. Not in the sense that Emacs understands `pointing device'. Android *has* pointing device support, but the smartphone/tablet form factors won't have one 99.9% of the time (for most of them, you'd have to add the driver yourself). This already came up in the maemo port, and I really expect (hope) to see it again when the android tablets are actually commonly available. It's possible that I'm misunderstanding the original criteria, and you're saying something more like ``since /some/ android devices support a pointing device, all android ports will load the pointing-device code even though many particular devices don't have any support for it''. If that case is fine in general, then what I'm saying doesn't matter; I thought the original point was just that having selection support depend on mouse support might be wrong. This situation is on my mind lately, because I'm really hoping for a decent android-based tablet that can usefully support emacs. My apologies if my enthusiasm has caused trouble. *Chad