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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315613 Archived-At: > On Jan 29, 2024, at 15:49, JD Smith wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > PS: I personally feel that by the time a package author presents a well-wr= itten and fairly complete package for inclusion into ELPA, it is too late to= make the argument that they should have instead contributed that functional= ity to a built-in package. If you can convince them earlier in the process,= of course, but it certainly adds to the outside impression that ELPA is a g= auntlet that must be run, which I think all agree is not desired. I=E2=80=99m not sure I follow. Most of the time package authors don=E2=80=99= t ssy anything until they want to publish the package, so how can the mainta= iners suggest to them to contribute to an existing package? An alternative would be for potential package authors to post to emacs-devel= , stating that they would like to see feature foo in package bar. If it tur= ns out that it is not feasible to implement the feature, then sure, a new pa= ckage can be created.=20 Chris.=20=