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Perhaps Juergen can do it? >>>=20 >>> Of course, I /could/ do this, but given the fact that you have = already >>> found out about /some/ internals wouldn't it be better a = macOS/NextStep >>> developer would look into this in the first place and hence write = the >>> report with some somre insight? >>=20 >> Unfortunately, there are no MacOS developers among Org mode = maintainers. >> I personally do not even have access to MacOS for testing. >>=20 >> Since you at least can test things on MacOS, it would be helpful if = you >> can create the recipe suitable for Emacs devs to reproduce the >> problem. They may also ask extra information from your MacOS. >>=20 >=20 > I see. Thanks for explaining. So, I will write a bug report that draws > on our discussion and send it to emacs-devel over the weekend. >=20 > My switch from Ventura to Sonoma shortly may make things more > complicated, as I cannot foresee in howmuch the two platforms differ > under the hood, but I'm afraid I cannot postpone the upgrade. A few years ago, I wrote a small package for pasting PNG and PDF data = from the Mac clipboard into org documents as attachments, which I still = use: https://github.com/jdtsmith/org-mac-image-paste.=20 With the recent work on yank-media I'm hopeful I can retire this package = soon. I found I could pull PDF data to file from the clipboard via = AppleScript (and display in the emacs-mac build using its image-io = backend), but used pngpaste[1] tool for PNG data. When an image is on = the clipboard, PNG data are indeed available from the clipboard (=C2=ABcla= ss PNGf=C2=BB), as can be seen via AppleScript. You can use AppleScript = to inquire about the state of the clipboard. For example, after taking = a screenshot, I see: % osascript -e "clipboard info" =C2=ABclass PNGf=C2=BB, 121849, =C2=ABclass 8BPS=C2=BB, 401974, GIF = picture, 21636, =C2=ABclass jp2 =C2=BB, 21831, JPEG picture, 35062, TIFF = picture, 369790, =C2=ABclass BMP =C2=BB, 366218, =C2=ABclass TPIC=C2=BB, = 285265 On copying an image from a website, I get: % osascript -e "clipboard info" TIFF picture, 91686, URL, 81, =C2=ABclass urln=C2=BB, 6, =C2=ABclass = utf8=C2=BB, 81, =C2=ABclass rtfd=C2=BB, 2652, =C2=ABclass weba=C2=BB, = 5679, =C2=ABclass HTML=C2=BB, 800, =C2=ABclass 8BPS=C2=BB, 103154, GIF = picture, 681, =C2=ABclass jp2 =C2=BB, 5455, JPEG picture, 1059, =C2=ABclas= s PNGf=C2=BB, 6282, =C2=ABclass BMP =C2=BB, 44298, =C2=ABclass TPIC=C2=BB,= 8066, =C2=ABclass ut16=C2=BB, 164, string, 81, Unicode text, 162 For images grabbed from web-pages, you can actually get the URL = information if you like and include that in or near the attachment link. = =20 Here's after copying a GIF file from the Finder: % osascript -e "clipboard info" =C2=ABclass furl=C2=BB, 41, =C2=ABclass ut16=C2=BB, 24, =C2=ABclass = utf8=C2=BB, 11, =C2=ABclass icns=C2=BB, 1137764, Unicode text, 22, = string, 11, =C2=ABclass 8BPS=C2=BB, 1295026, GIF picture, 74698, =C2=ABcla= ss jp2 =C2=BB, 110628, JPEG picture, 62209, TIFF picture, 4198020, = =C2=ABclass PNGf=C2=BB, 305211, =C2=ABclass BMP =C2=BB, 4194442, =C2=ABcla= ss TPIC=C2=BB, 796024 Notice the file-URL there, which you can get (here using the = JXA=3Djavascript flavor of AppleScript, with a UTI for the file-url, = which is apparently the more modern way to do it): % osascript -l JavaScript -e 'ObjC.import("AppKit"); = $.NSPasteboard.generalPasteboard.stringForType("public.file-url");' file:///Users/xxyz/Desktop/output.gif You can even coerce the clipboard to be in a certain format: % osascript -e "clipboard info" TIFF picture, 35766, URL, 37, =C2=ABclass urln=C2=BB, 7, =C2=ABclass = utf8=C2=BB, 37, =C2=ABclass rtfd=C2=BB, 1082, =C2=ABclass weba=C2=BB, = 3643, =C2=ABclass HTML=C2=BB, 820, =C2=ABclass 8BPS=C2=BB, 9884, GIF = picture, 434, =C2=ABclass jp2 =C2=BB, 4617, JPEG picture, 1268, =C2=ABclas= s PNGf=C2=BB, 1527, =C2=ABclass BMP =C2=BB, 32538, =C2=ABclass TPIC=C2=BB,= 2446, =C2=ABclass ut16=C2=BB, 76, string, 37, Unicode text, 74 % osascript -e "set the clipboard to (the clipboard as JPEG picture)" % osascript -e "clipboard info" =20 JPEG picture, 1268, =C2=ABclass 8BPS=C2=BB, 8622, GIF picture, 687, = =C2=ABclass jp2 =C2=BB, 4671, TIFF picture, 27704, =C2=ABclass PNGf=C2=BB,= 2508, =C2=ABclass BMP =C2=BB, 24534, =C2=ABclass TPIC=C2=BB, 4372 My knowledge doesn't go any deeper than that but thought I'd share what = I know. =20 [1] The code for pngpaste might be informative: = https://github.com/jcsalterego/pngpaste/blob/main/pngpaste.m.=09= --Apple-Mail=_2A846ED5-524D-43AC-A189-A7812AE01883 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8


On Jun 6, 2024, at 4:41=E2=80=AFPM, Juergen Fenn = <jfenn@gmx.net> wrote:



Am 06.06.24 um = 17:17 Uhr schrieb Ihor Radchenko:
Juergen = Fenn <jfenn@gmx.net> writes:

Am = 06.06.24 um 08:20 Uhr schrieb Visuwesh:
Thanks for the analysis.  Given that Alan says = GNUStep cannot handle
non-text clipboard items, I cannot propose = anything myself.  It would be
nice if a Mac user can write a = report and send it to the Emacs
developers.  Perhaps Juergen can = do it?

Of course, I /could/ do this, but given the = fact that you have already
found out about /some/ internals wouldn't = it be better a macOS/NextStep
developer would look into this in the = first place and hence write the
report with some somre = insight?

Unfortunately, there are no MacOS = developers among Org mode maintainers.
I personally do not even have = access to MacOS for testing.

Since you at least can test things = on MacOS, it would be helpful if you
can create the recipe suitable = for Emacs devs to reproduce the
problem. They may also ask extra = information from your MacOS.


I see. Thanks for = explaining. So, I will write a bug report that draws
on our = discussion and send it to emacs-devel over the weekend.

My switch = from Ventura to Sonoma shortly may make things more
complicated, as I = cannot foresee in howmuch the two platforms differ
under the hood, = but I'm afraid I cannot postpone the = upgrade.

A few years ago, I = wrote a small package for pasting PNG and PDF data from the Mac = clipboard into org documents as attachments, which I still use:  https://github.co= m/jdtsmith/org-mac-image-paste. 

With = the recent work on yank-media I'm hopeful I can retire this package = soon.  I found I could pull PDF data to file from the clipboard via = AppleScript (and display in the emacs-mac build using its image-io = backend), but used pngpaste[1] tool for PNG data.  When an image is = on the clipboard, PNG data are indeed available from the clipboard = (=C2=ABclass PNGf=C2=BB), as can be seen via AppleScript.  You can = use AppleScript to inquire about the state of the clipboard.  For = example, after taking a screenshot, I see:

% osascript -e = "clipboard info"
=C2=ABclass PNGf=C2=BB, 121849, =C2=ABclas= s 8BPS=C2=BB, 401974, GIF picture, 21636, =C2=ABclass jp2 =C2=BB, 21831, = JPEG picture, 35062, TIFF picture, 369790, =C2=ABclass BMP =C2=BB, = 366218, =C2=ABclass TPIC=C2=BB, 285265

On copying an image = from a website, I get:

% osascript -e "clipboard = info"
TIFF = picture, 91686, URL, 81, =C2=ABclass urln=C2=BB, 6, =C2=ABclass utf8=C2=BB= , 81, =C2=ABclass rtfd=C2=BB, 2652, =C2=ABclass weba=C2=BB, 5679, = =C2=ABclass HTML=C2=BB, 800, =C2=ABclass 8BPS=C2=BB, 103154, GIF = picture, 681, =C2=ABclass jp2 =C2=BB, 5455, JPEG picture, 1059, =C2=ABclas= s PNGf=C2=BB, 6282, =C2=ABclass BMP =C2=BB, 44298, =C2=ABclass TPIC=C2=BB,= 8066, =C2=ABclass ut16=C2=BB, 164, string, 81, Unicode text, = 162

For images grabbed from = web-pages, you can actually get the URL information if you like and = include that in or near the attachment link. =  

Here's after copying a GIF file from the = Finder:

% osascript -e "clipboard = info"
=C2=ABclass furl=C2=BB, 41, =C2=ABclass = ut16=C2=BB, 24, =C2=ABclass utf8=C2=BB, 11, =C2=ABclass icns=C2=BB, = 1137764, Unicode text, 22, string, 11, =C2=ABclass 8BPS=C2=BB, 1295026, = GIF picture, 74698, =C2=ABclass jp2 =C2=BB, 110628, JPEG picture, 62209, = TIFF picture, 4198020, =C2=ABclass PNGf=C2=BB, 305211, =C2=ABclass BMP = =C2=BB, 4194442, =C2=ABclass TPIC=C2=BB, = 796024

Notice the file-URL there, which = you can get (here using the JXA=3Djavascript flavor of AppleScript, with = a UTI for the file-url, which is apparently the more modern way to do = it):

% = osascript -l JavaScript -e 'ObjC.import("AppKit"); = $.NSPasteboard.generalPasteboard.stringForType("public.file-url");'
<= /div>
file:///Users/xxyz/Desktop/output.gif
<= /div>

You can even coerce the = clipboard to be in a certain = format:

% osascript -e "clipboard = info"
TIFF = picture, 35766, URL, 37, =C2=ABclass urln=C2=BB, 7, =C2=ABclass utf8=C2=BB= , 37, =C2=ABclass rtfd=C2=BB, 1082, =C2=ABclass weba=C2=BB, 3643, = =C2=ABclass HTML=C2=BB, 820, =C2=ABclass 8BPS=C2=BB, 9884, GIF picture, = 434, =C2=ABclass jp2 =C2=BB, 4617, JPEG picture, 1268, =C2=ABclass = PNGf=C2=BB, 1527, =C2=ABclass BMP =C2=BB, 32538, =C2=ABclass TPIC=C2=BB, = 2446, =C2=ABclass ut16=C2=BB, 76, string, 37, Unicode text, = 74

% osascript -e "set the = clipboard to (the clipboard as JPEG picture)"

% osascript -e "clipboard = info"                   =                   =  
JPEG = picture, 1268, =C2=ABclass 8BPS=C2=BB, 8622, GIF picture, 687, =C2=ABclass= jp2 =C2=BB, 4671, TIFF picture, 27704, =C2=ABclass PNGf=C2=BB, 2508, = =C2=ABclass BMP =C2=BB, 24534, =C2=ABclass TPIC=C2=BB, = 4372

My knowledge doesn't go any deeper = than that but thought I'd share what I know. =  

[1] The code for pngpaste might be = informative: http= s://github.com/jcsalterego/pngpaste/blob/main/pngpaste.m. =
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