From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#5841: 23.1.95; bad mouse bindings for Info mode line node name Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:41:59 -0700 Message-ID: <7DA33536D94C4AC4ACD7ECF49EFE17E9@us.oracle.com> References: <87mxxgwqjn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1270569495 3573 80.91.229.12 (6 Apr 2010 15:58:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 5841@debbugs.gnu.org To: "'Chong Yidong'" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 06 17:58:14 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzBAL-00016t-KW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:58:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52769 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NzBAL-0004il-7p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:58:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NzB8n-0004Bm-Ux for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:56:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47780 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NzB8l-0004As-RY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:56:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzB8j-00039b-02 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:56:35 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:34852) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzB8i-00039V-UA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:56:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAwd-00025k-AM; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:44:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 5841 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 5841-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B5841.12705686068015 (code B ref 5841); Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:44:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 5841) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2010 15:43:26 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAw1-00025E-Ph for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:43:25 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAvz-000259-Pp for 5841@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:43:24 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o36Fh7CR017778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:43:18 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o36ExR6g012469; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:43:06 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt005.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 140282611270568522; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:42:02 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.225.69) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:42:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87mxxgwqjn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Thread-Index: AcrVnYmuEZG5UozxQBeAqFGlrBNMqQAAFjbQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4BBB568B.0078:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Resent-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:44:03 -0400 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:35987 Archived-At: > > When you click the mouse on the current node name in Info, > > these are the bindings: > > > > mouse-1: Info-mouse-scroll-up > > mouse-3: Info-mouse-scroll-down > > > > Those should be reversed. The leftmost of the two buttons > > used for this should move backward. The rightmost should > > move forward. > > No. There is a reason for this binding: it's much more common to > advance through a document, so mouse-1 is used for it. (Let's not > get into a long argument over this.) There is a reason for almost everything. But not necessarily a good reason. Why is mouse-1 significantly better than mouse-3 for a much-more-common operation? That either button is better than mouse-2 I could understand, since some people don't even have a mouse-2 or use a wheel button for it, which is sometimes less handy. But mouse-1 has no great advantage over mouse-3. Neither is hard to use. And the "more common use" reason is anyway a very weak one. It is more common to do neither, and many users will forget which is which. When they do occasionally try one they shouldn't have to backtrack because it was ill-designed. It is more important that the buttons correspond to what one would naturally expect. Left stands for left; right stands for right. Couldn't be more obvious and expected. It is simply perverse to have the left button move right and the right button move left.