From: "조성빈 via help-gnu-emacs" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Ctrl-[ ?
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 20:48:49 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7D06268A-29E9-47A3-A722-ADDBC456213F@icloud.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190608084404.GB28228@tuxteam.de>
2019. 6. 8. 오후 5:44, tomas@tuxteam.de 작성:
>> On Sat, Jun 08, 2019 at 02:31:50AM +0200, Óscar Fuentes wrote:
>> Francis Belliveau <f.belliveau@comcast.net> writes:
>>
>>> I think that a lot of you are missing the point that was made early on
>>> in the discussion. This mapping of ASCII cntrol characters is a
>>> definition made by convention since the day of the Teletype machines.
>>> It is how the ASCII character set was defined.
>>
>> So what? Why a GUI user should be inconvenienced or prevented to bind
>> C-i, C-[, etc. to whatever he pleases the same way he binds any other
>> key combination?
>
> It /is/ possible: thus I don't quite understand your anger here.
>
> I think it's OK for it to be discouraged by default. It's OK for it
> to be discouraged for "official" Emacs packages.
Well, I’m not sure ‘discouraging’ is to ‘encourage users to use hacky solutions’ :-(
I would rather like if I can rebind them without an hassle, and Emacs can emit a warning when Emacs is executed insidea terminal.
> Because there's some
> value in Emacs behaving consistently across backends by default
> (as much as possible: it's clear that you can't display a PNG on
> a VT220, at least not without some compromise in quality).
Well, I remember C-/ not working in terminals while working in GUI Emacs... I’m fine with that; but that also means C-[ should be rebindable without hassle.
> Perhaps the ways have to be documented better, and see Stefan's efforts
> in making it easier.
>
> Let me repeat here: there is some value in Emacs behaving consistently
> across backends (few editors out there, if any, cover the span from
> VT220 to X so elegantly). There are folks who use Emacs simultaneously
> with different backends.
Well, Emacs should focus consistency between major/minor modes first since there are a lot more folks who use Emacs simultaneously with between lots of major modes... (which is being discussed in the ‘Is elisp really slow?’ thread... :-))
> Cheers
> -- tomás
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Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-06-06 4:49 Ctrl-[ ? Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 7:26 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 8:13 ` Andreas Schwab
2019-06-06 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 12:37 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 13:28 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 12:44 ` Mattias Engdegård
2019-06-06 13:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 13:25 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 14:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 6:21 ` Marcin Borkowski
2019-06-07 8:34 ` joakim
2019-06-06 13:26 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-06 13:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-06-06 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 15:01 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 15:33 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-06 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 17:33 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-06 17:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-06 18:48 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-06 19:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 15:02 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-07 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 21:01 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2019-06-07 23:48 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 6:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-12 8:08 ` Søren Pilgård
2019-06-12 8:56 ` Ergus
2019-06-06 18:55 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-10 0:23 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-06-10 0:42 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-10 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-11 15:36 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2019-06-11 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-11 16:31 ` Yuri Khan
2019-06-12 12:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-06-12 12:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-06-12 13:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-06-12 13:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-06 13:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-06 14:00 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-06 12:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-06 12:58 ` Ralph Seichter
2019-06-06 13:42 ` tomas
2019-06-06 14:08 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 14:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-06 15:27 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 18:29 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 23:08 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-06 23:26 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-06 23:35 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 6:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 11:43 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-07 13:16 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 22:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-08 6:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-08 14:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-07 3:36 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07 4:30 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 4:43 ` Emanuel Berg via help-gnu-emacs
2019-06-07 5:04 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 6:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 8:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-07 8:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 13:19 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 13:54 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-07 14:23 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-07 15:17 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-07 13:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-07 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 18:20 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-07 20:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-07 16:30 ` tomas
2019-06-08 0:05 ` Francis Belliveau
2019-06-08 0:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 8:44 ` tomas
2019-06-08 11:48 ` 조성빈 via help-gnu-emacs [this message]
2019-06-08 11:56 ` tomas
2019-06-08 13:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 13:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-08 13:54 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 14:03 ` tomas
2019-06-08 14:22 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-09 0:52 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-09 6:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-09 6:51 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-06-08 13:58 ` tomas
2019-06-08 19:40 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-08 20:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-08 20:28 ` tomas
2019-06-08 21:03 ` Francis Belliveau
2019-06-08 21:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-09 0:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-09 1:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-06-18 22:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-11 23:05 ` Francis Belliveau
2019-06-14 6:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-14 12:06 ` [offtopic] " Van L
2019-06-14 12:24 ` tomas
2019-06-15 9:12 ` Van L
2019-06-15 9:44 ` tomas
2019-06-15 12:38 ` Van L
2019-06-09 6:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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