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On 05 Jan 2014, at 14:25, Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> =
wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM, chad <yandros@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Windows as tabs by default would almost certainly improve familiarity =
by default.=20
> The keybindings are confusing to many people. People who accidentally =
split-window are very confused.
>=20
> Tabs is a very good feature, but it can't replace "split windows". The =
latter must be taught to beginners.=20

As stated, I disagree (and this is coming from a person who lived inside =
emacs-as-window-system for most of a year). It might come from seeing =
dozens (maybe hundreds) of smart people decide that =93Quit Emacs=94 was =
the best way to accomplish what I would do with "C-x 1=94, and that was =
before tabs.

I think that *help* and *completions* can teach beginners about split =
windows just fine, and from there they can learn about =
split-window-{below,right}, winner/windmove, pop-up-windows, frames, and =
tabs as fits their preferences.

All that=92s IMHO, of course.

~Chad=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On 05 Jan 2014, at 14:25, Lennart =
Borgman &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:lennart.borgman@gmail.com">lennart.borgman@gmail.com</a>&gt=
; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:13 PM, chad <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:yandros@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" =
onclick=3D"window.open('https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=3Dcm&amp;tf=3D1=
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blank','location=3Dyes,menubar=3Dyes,resizable=3Dyes,width=3D800,height=3D=
600');return false;">yandros@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><br>
</div>Windows as tabs by default would almost certainly improve =
familiarity by default.&nbsp;<br>The keybindings are confusing to many =
people. People who accidentally split-window are very =
confused.<br><br></blockquote><div>Tabs is a very good feature, but it =
can't replace "split windows". The latter must be taught to =
beginners.&nbsp;</div></div></div></div>
</blockquote><br></div><div>As stated, I disagree (and this is coming =
from a person who lived inside emacs-as-window-system for most of a =
year). It might come from seeing dozens (maybe hundreds) of smart people =
decide that =93Quit Emacs=94 was the best way to accomplish what I would =
do with "C-x 1=94, and that was before tabs.</div><div><br></div><div>I =
think that *help* and *completions* can teach beginners about split =
windows just fine, and from there they can learn about =
split-window-{below,right}, winner/windmove, pop-up-windows, frames, and =
tabs as fits their preferences.</div><br><div>All that=92s IMHO, of =
course.</div><div><br></div><div>~Chad</div></body></html>=

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