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From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Emacs-Devel devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:32:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7C757F28-A6B2-48FB-A8AC-CF2E1728FA68@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090514181712.GA2413@muc.de>

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On May 14, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>>
>> On a more general note, I wonder why experienced users occasionally
>> resist change in the UI in general (as it breaks things) rather than
>> avoiding to upgrade.
>
> [linguistic point: "avoid" takes a noun or a gerund (which needn't be
> round), not an infinitive.  You want "avoiding an upgrade" or  
> "avoiding
> upgrading" here.]

You are right.  My heartfelt apologies.  Language is to me what people  
(me excluded) speak, not what some book says.  The avoid+infinitive  
construction doesn't get any traction in a Google search (using past  
tense), so I concede.

> You're not trying to ignite another rambling heated debate about  
> changing
> long standing features, are you?  OK, thought not.

God no, I am not.

> Changing the UI makes the new version incompatible with the learning  
> of
> the users of the old versions.

Absolutely.  But if people don't like change, then they shouldn't be  
forced to upgrade if we provided decent support for older versions.   
As you said, a new VCS will hopefully facilitate this.  I use git and  
have evaluated Bazaar, and they both can cherry-pick bugfixes from the  
development branch and facilitate just that.  One could really start  
with Emacs 22.

Projects of the size/importance of Emacs should provide a roadmap with  
a promise to support certain releases for x many years.  But even  
providing [important] bug fixes for the 22 series for a while should  
be considered.

- David
(who is actually a Diplom-Sprachwissenschaftler.)

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-15  5:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-24 12:30 please make line-move-visual nil Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-13 13:35 ` garyo
2009-05-13 23:59   ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-14  0:06     ` garyo
2009-05-14  8:51       ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-14  9:37         ` Antoine Levitt
2009-05-15  3:21           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-15  4:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17  6:29               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-14 11:29         ` garyo
2009-05-14 15:37           ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-15  2:45             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-15 14:31               ` Davis Herring
2009-05-17  6:29                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-17 10:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-17 20:28                     ` Davis Herring
2009-05-24 22:33                       ` Drew Adams
2009-05-24 23:18                         ` Bastien
2009-05-24 23:18                         ` Leo
2009-05-24 23:50                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:58                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25  8:05                               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25  0:53                             ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  1:03                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-25  1:59                                 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:23                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:32                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25  3:01                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  4:16                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:34                                       ` Bastien
2009-05-25 20:21                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 20:46                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-05-27 12:48                                       ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-27 12:51                                         ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-31 11:45                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-31 12:08                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2009-05-31 17:00                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 22:29                                               ` Bob Rogers
2009-06-01  2:33                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01  9:22                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01  9:54                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01  9:59                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-05 22:13                                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-05-31 13:09                                           ` Deniz Dogan
2009-06-01  2:39                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 21:19                                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01  7:24                                             ` Mathias Megyei
2009-06-01 13:29                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 14:36                                             ` T.V. Raman
2009-06-01 16:20                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 17:56                                                 ` bug#3438: " Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 17:56                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 18:26                                                   ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 18:26                                                   ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00                                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33                                                           ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:33                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:56                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:56                                                             ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:25                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 22:33                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:52                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12                                                             ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:12                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:57                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:57                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:13                                                             ` bug#3438: " Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:13                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 15:59                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-02 15:59                                                                 ` bug#3438: " Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 22:52                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 17:16                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 17:16                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 21:45                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13  0:19                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-13  0:19                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-14 20:45                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-12 21:45                                                             ` bug#3438: " Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:33                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00                                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 23:18                                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02  1:29                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25  8:18                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 20:46                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 21:06                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  2:57                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  8:10                               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26  3:48                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:53                         ` David Reitter
2009-05-25  0:03                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25  0:52                           ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:32                             ` David Reitter
2009-05-25  8:35                               ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:26                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25  2:02                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25  4:16                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:16                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25  9:29                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-05-25 10:16                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26  0:13                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-28 10:38                                   ` David Kastrup
2009-05-28 11:23                                     ` Bastien
2009-05-28 13:38                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2009-05-29  4:39                                     ` rms
2009-05-26  9:52                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-26 12:08                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:36                                     ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-05-26 20:12                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:17                           ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:29                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51                               ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:14                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 21:26                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26  6:56                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-26 11:37                                     ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-26 12:24                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:42                                         ` David Reitter
     [not found]                                           ` <m3hbz8c9qy.fsf@verona.se>
2009-05-26 12:58                                             ` David Reitter
2009-05-26 12:42                                         ` joakim
2009-05-26 13:54                                         ` Jason Rumney
2009-05-26 20:21                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-27  2:50                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 16:56                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-26 19:17                                   ` Tobias C. Rittweiler
2009-05-14 17:14   ` Bob Nnamtrop
2009-05-14 16:00 ` Shaun Johnson
2009-05-14 16:20   ` David Reitter
2009-05-14 18:17     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-15  5:32       ` David Reitter [this message]
2009-05-15  7:18         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-15  7:40         ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15  7:58           ` Miles Bader
2009-05-15 14:14             ` Drew Adams
2009-05-15 14:21             ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 14:27               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-16  6:13               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17  3:53       ` Stefan Monnier

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