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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122232 Archived-At: > > More importantly, it's consistent with the existing semantics of > > transient mark mode. Many Emacs commands act on the region > > when it's active, and it seems natural for DEL to be one of > > these commands. > > > > By contrast, it's not clear to me that self-inserting > > characters ought to "act on the region" in the sense of > > replacing its contents. > > As I understand from counter-arguments, opponents agree with > self-inserting characters replacing the region, but only when > the region is activated explicitly, and not by side-effects of > setting the mark or exchanging the mark and point. Not this "opponent". I agree with self-inserting characters replacing the active region _always_, no matter how it was activated. That's the point of "active". And I hold that the region should be activated simply by setting the mark or exchanging the mark and point. IOW, I disagree (strongly) with changing the behavior of d-s-mode. If you don't want to make d-s-mode the default, so be it. But please don't mess with d-s-mode.