From: chad <yandros@MIT.EDU>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org discussions" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Default for the envelope From in smtpmail.el
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:38:37 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <79D4B58B-FFCA-42E0-AD13-48B1C0879ADC@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87obmgtaq2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>
On 12 Aug 2012, at 08:02, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
> chad writes:
>> I was hoping to clarify for Stephen that you guys aren't talking
>> about the same cases (at least, it seemed to me that you weren't).
>
> That's true. AFAICT I was talking about a superset of the cases that
> Glenn was, and that's important.
It's not a superset in the meaningful case; it's a subset - of the users.
> My basic point is that there are many different cases, and that Emacs
> (when acting as an MTA, which is more or less equivalent to speaking
> SMTP as it does via smtpmail.el) should try to make them all look the
> same to users. That means that smtpmail.el should *default* to using
> the logged-in user's mailbox for the envelope sender.
This is a default that will be wrong the vast majority of the time. It
seems silly to choose to default to an assumption that stopped being
valid ~15 years ago instead of the value that the user already picked.
The cases where a user's login name on an emacs-capable machine is the
same as a workable email address are a small minority, even of emacs
users, and a fair chunk of those cases *could* use login-name, but
don't want to. Work addresses use a company server. School addresses
use a university server or service. ISPs, webmail, etc - none of them
use the user name.
Conversely, user-mail-address has been used for decades, and it
already documented to be exactly what we want:
Specify your own email address, if Emacs can't figure it out
correctly.
(setq user-mail-address "cheney@torture.gov")
Various Emacs packages, such as Message mode, consult
user-mail-address when they need to know your email address.
See Mail Headers.
If the user hasn't told emacs about an email address, then using the
login name is a reasonable choice. If the user *has* told emacs their
email address, emacs should use it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-08-12 17:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-07-05 15:16 Default for the envelope From in smtpmail.el Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-05 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-05 19:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-07-05 20:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-07-06 1:30 ` Tim Cross
2012-08-11 1:15 ` Glenn Morris
2012-08-11 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-08-11 17:52 ` Glenn Morris
2012-08-11 18:06 ` Glenn Morris
2012-08-12 0:21 ` Rasmus
2012-08-12 0:19 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-08-12 0:42 ` chad
2012-08-12 2:08 ` Glenn Morris
2012-08-12 2:15 ` Glenn Morris
2012-08-12 3:06 ` chad
2012-08-12 15:02 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-08-12 17:38 ` chad [this message]
2012-08-13 3:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-09-04 13:13 ` Nix
2012-09-05 1:30 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-09-05 9:14 ` Nix
2012-09-04 15:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-09-04 16:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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