From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:58:54 -0400 Message-ID: <797F802F-E06A-4DC4-A7FC-BA930DE31B3A@gmail.com> References: <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <54A5E41E3FD446F590AA580D90C5B518@us.oracle.com> <56DF3F5FED9445EAB0C666DE0904BAC2@us.oracle.com> <87fxes5p4n.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <7b501d5c0905260437l2a14fd21nd319f4eeb4e3d972@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-25-895045960; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243342775 10816 80.91.229.12 (26 May 2009 12:59:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:59:35 +0000 (UTC) To: joakim@verona.se, Emacs-Devel devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 26 14:59:28 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8wFT-0005VV-0o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:59:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52303 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8wFS-0003It-AR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:59:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8wFM-0003F6-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:59:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8wFH-00034B-T0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:59:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=34784 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8wFH-000340-Q0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:59:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f161.google.com ([209.85.218.161]:52481) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8wFH-0002tY-4k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 08:59:07 -0400 Original-Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so3984871bwz.42 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:59:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; bh=0m+pDsh9klGp8MX5dgKBVBVSBpWk1oxlb8SbF7Z9qK0=; b=mkw+Z6jg1tiFdLKqcI1/rRMhtVViTjJi6iNDQJxUrSmjzZto5SKFUqkAEV+rcJQv9M Af8eHHAzhBpJ6guYpQ/UUCXzMgXyB+LQSAhdqkg9ey+VWzN85LoDQAw6ZMfJDa9SFRqm zvJzcsVfDX6rCChz1+Tf8tl0Xq/NTmZB4uGnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:mime-version:subject :date:references:x-mailer; b=HUIbj/fx6nS+79iUEMVgJvgh+MqyN9uiiuaQjlG6rnmLu8R6ynbhqK6oEYlaGOoinH 9WH/JRmKpIEnsORclXmCfJiAv3b83IqFKCmKkKFMCIuOi1sNtm/irODE5IIFuP+VJbA/ +T2z/RvFSoIcpKzYzNvszWV4lRlwD1wHFFsMY= Original-Received: by 10.103.198.20 with SMTP id a20mr4385508muq.63.1243342745539; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from scarlett.local (pool-71-162-19-47.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [71.162.19.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w5sm1315391mue.34.2009.05.26.05.59.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 May 2009 05:59:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111113 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail-25-895045960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On May 26, 2009, at 8:46 AM, joakim@verona.se wrote: >> Rather than providing hooks so that the user can be trapped by the >> problem, diagnose it, find the hooks, and come up with the right lisp >> code (most users actually don't speak lisp) to fix it, why not turn >> off line-move-visual (and anything else of the "do what I mean" >> variety) during macro recording and playback? That would lead to >> consistent and predictable behavior. > > The mechanism for this could be in the form of a preloaded hook, > right? Yes, sounds like a good idea. That way it can be turned off / tinkered with. 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