From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:01:08 +0000 Message-ID: <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136306442 29451 80.91.229.2 (3 Jan 2006 16:40:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs help Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 03 17:40:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtpCb-0002LX-DJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:40:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EtpEE-0005jQ-6s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:41:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Etocm-0004Kf-S3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:03:01 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Etock-0004JT-5G for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:02:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Etoch-0004JG-Ea for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:02:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.202] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Etodw-0007YF-Ov for Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:04:12 -0500 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i27so1663964wra for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:01:12 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MMa21oAJMATI2RscOah/yqaWWMzncGhxJtY/cmBS/EcBsxetKnMcvvzlaJ6qeuR9N/ZdOTqLT7yAlTswsjH3rCSN7WE5P9sXsdtinGJpBxdLh6nUNoItRPVDontphnDDN4Lbwqhy5LsZE2cQudy2ytHvBrO59RRZKlMgSy2sTAA= Original-Received: by 10.65.148.14 with SMTP id a14mr485804qbo; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:01:12 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ?129.215.174.81? ( [129.215.174.81]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q13sm5080076qbq.2006.01.03.08.01.11; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:01:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Original-To: David Kastrup X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32382 Archived-At: On 3 Jan 2006, at 15:34, David Kastrup wrote: > If the people understand about the "spirit of free software", they are > likely to understand the need for a copyright assignment or disclaimer > (for icons, I guess a disclaimer would be sufficient). It is a > written guarantee that the licensing conditions are stated accurately. Most people publish their work under some Creative Commons license, and as far as I know that's compatible. Contributing to Emacs involves obtaining a contract from the FSF and signing that (paper form) -- I understand that is what was necessary when the new application icon was contributed. Taking code from 20 or so authors and getting all of them to sign this is probably what's needed when you do patch work. Ask the FSF if you're interested in knowing more, I sure don't know much about this stuff (and I don't want to deal with it either). >> Therefore, if someone is >> willing to do the work, I'd incorporate this in our distribution >> now. > > Willing to do _what_ work? Designing icons? Collecting them without > contacting the authors? All. Somebody will need to find icons and check their copyright status (as far as reasonably possible), design the ones that are missing, keep a list of where everything came from, maybe notify but at least acknowledge the authors. > It is a pity that you are not interested in the effort needed to > improve Emacs for everybody. You certainly have the right to do so, > and this right is a consequence of Emacs being free software, but it > does not help the cause. Around 50 percent of my time on Aquamacs goes into troubleshooting people's bug reports, checking whether they actually report potential bugs in Emacs or a package and relaying the reports (in a form useful to the recipients) to Emacs. By the way, I would probably do more of that for AUCTeX (for the few report's we're getting) if I could see that such reports were followed up on in a friendly and professional manner (even if the user or I make a mistake and report something that's not actually a bug). > But you should be honest and clear enough when recruiting people to > _your_ project to mention that this is not intended to help Emacs. > And also you should refrain from calling Emacs or GNU "Open Source", > in particular on GNU lists, which is an expression intended to muddle > what free software is about: freedom. Please, read the original post again and tell me where exactly I make wrong claims, or what is unclear. I clearly state what it's for, and I do not talk of the main GNU Emacs as non-free or open source software. > Even if he did the stuff himself, he has no guarantee that you > would bother extricating it from your personal fork, making sure that > nothing infringing remains, and properly contribute it to Emacs. Excuse me, but we supply source code and maintain an open-access CVS repository. We document what's where, and other distributions such as the Carbon Emacs Package take code from us every now and then (and we're taking theirs). It's a public project, everyone can check out the code and it's easy enough to extract things if you're willing to do so. You can hardly blame me for not willing to convince you personally that a particular change is justified, given the tone of your e-mails.