From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22987: 24.5; Incorrect index entry for (elisp) `?help-e Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2016 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <790d9dc8-89ed-4115-953a-3a7ebc947f10@default> References: <834mcdj8or.fsf@gnu.org> <7a63860f-3902-4dcf-a8ac-9b6af77f16d0@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1459042468 21867 80.91.229.3 (27 Mar 2016 01:34:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22987@debbugs.gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 27 03:34:14 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ajzal-0006Wv-Fb for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 03:34:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34401 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajzak-0003pW-90 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:34:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38383) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajzag-0003pM-0m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:34:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajzac-00070G-0W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:34:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:41919) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ajzab-00070C-TM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:34:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ajzab-0007J3-Mo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:34:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22987 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22987-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22987.145904241528049 (code B ref 22987); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:34:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22987) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2016 01:33:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39046 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ajzaA-0007IL-Pv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:51224) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ajza9-0007I7-RF for 22987@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Mar 2016 21:33:34 -0400 Original-Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2R1XQon004372 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:33:27 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2R1XQg3012145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:33:26 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0002.oracle.com (abhmp0002.oracle.com [141.146.116.8]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2R1XOj4012188; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 01:33:24 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115539 Archived-At: > > I cannot use any Emacs 25 pretest that I've found - at all. It simply > > crashes almost immediately. And no, I don't have the time to dig into w= hy. >=20 > Whoa, that's pretty serious, Drew! Is that a pretest built with debuggin= g > enabled? What debuggers do you have available? I could write down some > steps for you to follow. This the most recent pretest build I have: In GNU Emacs 25.0.90.4 (i686-w64-mingw32) of 2016-03-20 built on LAPHROAIG Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: 'configure --host=3Di686-w64-mingw32 --without-dbus --without-compress-install CFLAGS=3D-static' I have no idea whether, or what, debugging might be enabled in that. I don't really have time now to debug this anyway, but if you want to send some steps to follow, thank you. Maybe I'll get some time later this summer. Otherwise, hopefully someone else will run into the same problem eventually. Otherwise, I'll maybe have to stay with Emacs 24.5. I've had such crashes with all Emacs 25 builds since early 2015, IIRC (not just pretests). There is never any obvious connection with anything that I am doing when a crash occurs. Crashing seems random. A wild guess would be that the actual problem occurs sometime earlier, and that it is in the C layer. I generally have been using only Emacs 24.5, since 25 is unusable for me. I use 25 only to check info about some mail or bug thread or a user question - e.g. a new feature, and I often have to restart Emacs multiple times to be able to do even that, because of the quick crashing.