From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jan D." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk version getting closer Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:49:50 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <78DC4CBE-F7F9-11D6-8822-00039363E640@swipnet.se> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037307989 19092 80.91.224.249 (14 Nov 2002 21:06:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 21:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18CRBy-0004xe-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:06:26 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18CROX-0008Vr-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:19:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CRAC-0005bX-00; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:04:36 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18COQq-000132-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:09:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18CO83-0003n3-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:50:18 -0500 Original-Received: from stubby.bodenonline.com ([193.201.16.94]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18CO81-0003lk-00; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:50:10 -0500 Original-Received: from pc35.bodenonline.com (IDENT:root@[193.201.16.44]) by stubby.bodenonline.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id gAEHjtii012305; Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:45:56 +0100 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9427 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9427 > This isn't always the case. Maybe the help texts should be > reviewed and expanded/removed as a result? For example, > in Options we have: > "Save Place in Files between Sessions" > > The tooltip for that is "Save Emacs state for next session". > I think that the menu entry is much clearer hear, the tip is confusing. > > I am surprised you think so. I think they are both clear > and that they complement each other. Well, this is just an example, but here are my reasoning. The menu item has "between Sessions", implying this applies for all sessions to come. The tip says "next Session", implying it is only for the next session. The menu item has "Save Place in Files", the tip says "Save Emacs state". Neither is 100% correct, there is more that places saved, but less than the full Emacs state. If this is for a beginner, I imagine (but could be wrong) that "Save Places" is easier to understand than "Save state", as stats can mean many things. I think I would have written "Reopen files when Emacs is started". > The same for the other items in that menu--they are useful. This menu > shows why menu item tooltips need to work. I am not against tips, I just don't think showing them as today is a good idea. The "What's this?" approach seems workable. Then we could have even longer (multiline) tips. > The tips appear in the wrong places (i.e. under the pointer) > sometimes. I don't have a Lucid version available, but in the Motif > and > Gtk version you can click and release on a menubar item to make the > menu > appear. Then you can navigate the menus with arrow keys. The > tip displayed is for the menu item marked with the arrow keys, but > the tip appears where the pointer is. The pointer can be on the other > side > of the screen, so this looks funny. > > That is indeed a bug; it would be good to fix it. It is not that easy to get the information about where the selected menu item is on the screen, so I think this is hard to do. I'll keep it in mind when I start on Gtk menu tips. Jan D.