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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282020 Archived-At: On 15.12.2021 12:49, Po Lu wrote: > This is not a political discussion, but one based on technical issues, > namely how using two different terms to refer to the same thing hinders > the development of Emacs. It's a discussion where one side is aware of the political connotations of the terms and the reasons why "the world has moved on from them", and another stays willfully ignorant of them.