From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: random doesn't feel very random Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 08:23:53 -0700 Message-ID: <7887076C-9105-491F-9DDA-7B54148958C5@mit.edu> References: <876288yh72.fsf@kanis.fr> <87wr0livd4.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <83k3wfqtyx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1486\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1346426656 28403 80.91.229.3 (31 Aug 2012 15:24:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 15:24:16 +0000 (UTC) To: "emacs-devel@gnu.org discussions" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 31 17:24:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T7T4x-0004PU-EI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:24:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59042 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T7T4v-0002sz-0t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:24:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48303) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T7T4o-0002pd-O3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:24:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T7T4k-0004z5-K3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:24:06 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu ([18.9.25.14]:57758) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T7T4k-0004ys-7L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:24:02 -0400 X-AuditID: 1209190e-b7fc36d00000399b-e3-5040d70f51fd Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-3.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id 02.EB.14747.F07D0405; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id q7VFNxoL000520 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:23:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.21] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.148.125]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id q7VFNrZe013015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2012 11:23:58 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1486) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrHIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrMt/3SHA4EiXucXjBU9YHRg92qaZ BTBGcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGUc3h1Z0M9UsWf7RqYGxsuMXYycHBICJhKLL85ngrDFJC7cW8/W xcjFISSwj1Hi/LkHLCAJIYFTjBI33rFAJJ4zSfye95MNJMEsoCVx499LoG4ODl4BPYnTexNA wsICOhIfpzayg4TZBGSAhmqAhDmBdh3b1M8KYrMIqEr8fT8Laoq8xPa3c5hBbF4BK4nHl08w Qayawywx9eoPsBtEBKwl/vZvZIU4VFZi//19jBMYBWYhuWIWwhWzkIxdwMi8ilE2JbdKNzcx M6c4NVm3ODkxLy+1SNdYLzezRC81pXQTIzgYJfl2MH49qHSIUYCDUYmH9/o6+wAh1sSy4src Q4ySHExKorwBVx0ChPiS8lMqMxKLM+KLSnNSiw8xSnAwK4nwMu8DyvGmJFZWpRblw6SkOViU xHmvpNz0FxJITyxJzU5NLUgtgsnKcHAoSfDyXgNqFCxKTU+tSMvMKUFIM3FwggznARouDVLD W1yQmFucmQ6RP8WoKCXOqw6SEABJZJTmwfXCksUrRnGgV4R5uUCqeICJBq77FdBgJqDBchr2 IINLEhFSUg2MkyJlTVekZUu4r9t4KPXQ2aR0v+lLH/nqG77SFFj6VGsaw2ODY2/dXLSrjvb+ Z77tMn/2yQP3/XcVeK4zPth2N/uQW+GB1GNmT1aovheSKpi+/eJqX6ZPS3iZ1sj+41Q68tu7 hDPyguqcp/wcgnnft2pbzzhv/l5XWdP0yYkpkhk8ZUZT7+eIKLEUZyQaajEXFScC X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 18.9.25.14 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:152916 Archived-At: On 31 Aug 2012, at 08:06, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > So to fix those bugs, we have to: > - change Emacs's initialization so that it seeds its PRNG. To aid in debugging, perhaps seed the PRNG in site-start, so -Q disables it? *Chad