From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chetan Pandya Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Change in rmail-reply Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:53:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <785436.96522.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <87myd9cj98.fsf@xemacs.org> <28265.24804.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <597051.6409.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4983C273.4060201@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1233374050 6240 80.91.229.12 (31 Jan 2009 03:54:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 31 04:55:23 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LT6wy-0002DL-T1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:55:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40445 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LT6vg-00079l-Hk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:54:00 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LT6va-00079F-JC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:53:54 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1LT6vY-00078r-Ur for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:53:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39637 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LT6vY-00078i-RU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:53:52 -0500 Original-Received: from web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([216.252.101.63]:24578) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LT6vX-0005VN-0H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:53:51 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 97337 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jan 2009 03:53:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=e4QEV3bFFZtPZbZZ/DbRnWwoMeQ4qG1vlFFxtic0Vnypby5YQ8jkL2ahVClM4aNB44SFQqHtTvAjoaP6125ZdvJlPrDwZOMMZU30JzG3X/L8W9cEYPna5WGVBeB1o2yaZIkkOeFRWpWKCOg6TpOlHkbMj63wuBq55xQM/Fg0v/g=; X-YMail-OSG: qB5lYNsVM1lUxyX8glh1v1Zu33zDiy9kCcA2MlKvuXeVd8aDYB7oL48b9pCUcQIsCu1HyakAKny_TYJJFTgGkt0IeCgwKMoQb6phWPVV8EJJxfFt_7Bt3i8NT4dBMAHifgKeQjDswqFFQWrgORbUiVdDj.HDYLJJ9lT.jgMsrBT5qpOZKMBD_MiCR6j3.wJpl8A2YmRbdbv9 Original-Received: from [75.36.178.29] by web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:53:48 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:108441 Archived-At: Jason Rumney wrote: > Chetan Pandya wrote: >> One thing I don't like about this command is the potential for misuse - unless this is one of the intended uses. >> The problem is that the recipient of the message may have no idea that the message is not really received from what it claims to be, if the recipient MUA does not look at the resend headers. This might look like deception. Granted it is already possible to do it by other means, but the question is whether it should be made easier to do so. >> >If the intention is to deceive, then it is trivially easy to forge email headers, especially in an environment as configurable as Emacs. The resend command is very useful to a small minority of users who deal with mailing list moderation or catch-all mailboxes and want to forward mail in a way that keeps the original headers intact. The feature is provided by other mail clients, either as standard or as an optional extension, so its inclusion in rmail is not unique. The usefulness in some situations is not disputed. However, the fact still remains that as it is, it has a limited usefulness for ordinary users. Like other commands that may be confusing to users, it could be disabled by default, unless explicitly enabled by the user. Within emacs itself, mh-e also seems to provide the feature, so it certainly isn't unique. Irrespective of what is done on the send side, it might make sense to show resent-from, especially if it is different from from field. Similar situation exists wrt "sender:", but in that case it is not conditional. Of course, it could be argued that it is configurable, but the default configuration should be not be a cause for confusion to users who may not be familiar with all the issues, IMO. Chetan