From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 39557@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#39557: 27.0.60; Elisp manual, doc about bignums
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 10:26:08 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <77485d0f-28cc-46a1-a459-34e6fef7083a@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <<8336bhrrb4.fsf@gnu.org>>
> > Some functions in Emacs accept only fixnums. Also, while fixnums can
> > always be compared for numeric equality with 'eq', bignums require
> > more-heavyweight equality predicates like 'eql'."
> >
> > That's really the _last_ thing we should tell users, not the first.
> >
> > And even if we tell them something like that we should NOT emphasize
> > using `eq' ("bignums _require_..."). We should NOT give users the
> > impression that they should want to avoid the "more-heavyweight"
> > comparison function `eql'.
> >
> > We should instead tell users, right away, that they can (and typically
> > should) use `eql' for comparing any integers, regardless of whether they
> > happen, on this or that platform/machine, to be fixnums or bignums.
> >
> > I'm really surprised this doc got inserted as it is.
> >
> > Using `eq' is only an optimisation; it's platform/machine-specific; and
> > it makes users worry about whether the numbers being compared are both
> > fixnums. (Sure, they can always test first with `fixnump' or `bignump',
> > but still...)
> >
> > And I don't see where the doc tells you how the Lisp reader treats an
> > integer numeral - when it gives you a fixnum and when it gives you a
> > bignum. Shouldn't it tell you that you get a fixnum whenever the value
> > is within the fixnum range (if that's in fact the case)? I mean, if
> > you're going to be comparing against a literal value, and the doc slants
> > you toward using `eq' as it does, you'll at least want to know whether
> > some numeral ends up as a fixnum or a bignum. (Sure, you can always
> > test it...)
>
> There seems to be a contradiction here: where we do describe the
> difference between fixnums and bignums, you argue that we shouldn't,
> but then you pick up a place where we don't distinguish between them,
> and you argue that we should...
Maybe read again what I wrote.
I didn't say we should not describe the
difference between the two. Not at all.
next parent reply other threads:[~2020-02-11 18:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <<3d420026-bb32-413f-9a9c-304240aa82e2@default>
[not found] ` <<8336bhrrb4.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-02-11 18:26 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2020-02-11 19:14 ` bug#39557: 27.0.60; Elisp manual, doc about bignums Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-10 23:55 Drew Adams
2020-02-11 17:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-02-11 21:46 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-02-11 22:34 ` Drew Adams
2020-02-12 15:53 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-02-12 21:36 ` Drew Adams
2020-02-13 18:23 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-02-13 21:03 ` Drew Adams
2020-02-12 20:06 ` Richard Stallman
2020-02-13 23:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-02-17 22:05 ` Paul Eggert
2020-02-17 23:19 ` Drew Adams
2020-02-17 23:52 ` Paul Eggert
2020-02-18 1:52 ` Drew Adams
2020-02-18 3:13 ` Paul Eggert
2020-09-25 11:18 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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