bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Andreas Röhler]

Emacs seems not to know "~/.emacs" file anymore. echo $XDG_CONFIG_HOME 
reports it empty.

While reading in NEWS

Emacs will still look for init files in their traditional locations if
"$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/emacs" does not exist, but "~/.emacs.d" or
"~/.emacs" does exist, so invoking Emacs with XDG_CONFIG_HOME='/nowhere'
might be useful if your new-location init files are scrambled, or if
you want to force Emacs to ignore files under 'XDG_CONFIG_HOME' for
some other reason.

When evaluating "~/.emacs" by hand all went fine.

Thanks,
Andreas


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bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:04:38 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:

    Andreas> Emacs seems not to know "~/.emacs" file anymore. echo $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
    Andreas> reports it empty.

If XDG_CONFIG_HOME is empty, then emacs defaults to
~/.config/emacs (and currently will create it, although that is soon
to change).

    Andreas> While reading in NEWS

    Andreas> Emacs will still look for init files in their traditional locations if
    Andreas> "$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/emacs" does not exist, but "~/.emacs.d" or
    Andreas> "~/.emacs" does exist, so invoking Emacs with XDG_CONFIG_HOME='/nowhere'
    Andreas> might be useful if your new-location init files are scrambled, or if
    Andreas> you want to force Emacs to ignore files under 'XDG_CONFIG_HOME' for
    Andreas> some other reason.

Does ~/.config/emacs exist?

Robert

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Andreas Röhler]

Am 14.01.20 um 15:20 schrieb Robert Pluim:
>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 14:04:38 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
>      Andreas> Emacs seems not to know "~/.emacs" file anymore. echo $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
>      Andreas> reports it empty.
>
> If XDG_CONFIG_HOME is empty, then emacs defaults to
> ~/.config/emacs (and currently will create it, although that is soon
> to change).
>
>      Andreas> While reading in NEWS
>
>      Andreas> Emacs will still look for init files in their traditional locations if
>      Andreas> "$XDG_CONFIG_HOME/emacs" does not exist, but "~/.emacs.d" or
>      Andreas> "~/.emacs" does exist, so invoking Emacs with XDG_CONFIG_HOME='/nowhere'
>      Andreas> might be useful if your new-location init files are scrambled, or if
>      Andreas> you want to force Emacs to ignore files under 'XDG_CONFIG_HOME' for
>      Andreas> some other reason.
>
> Does ~/.config/emacs exist?
>
> Robert


No, doesn't exist. Just ~/.config with a plenty of other stuff.

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:36:58 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:

    >> Does ~/.config/emacs exist?

    Andreas> No, doesn't exist. Just ~/.config with a plenty of other stuff.

Then I donʼt understand what's going on. What is your value of
'user-emacs-directory'?

Robert

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Andreas Röhler]

Am 15.01.20 um 14:06 schrieb Robert Pluim:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:36:58 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
>      >> Does ~/.config/emacs exist?
>
>      Andreas> No, doesn't exist. Just ~/.config with a plenty of other stuff.
>
> Then I donʼt understand what's going on. What is your value of
> 'user-emacs-directory'?
>
> Robert


user-emacs-directory is a variable defined in ‘subr.el’.
Its value is "~/.emacs.d/"

   Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 22.1.

---

Thanks for your care,

Andreas

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:18:33 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:

    Andreas> Am 15.01.20 um 14:06 schrieb Robert Pluim:
    >>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:36:58 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
    >> >> Does ~/.config/emacs exist?
    >> 
    Andreas> No, doesn't exist. Just ~/.config with a plenty of other stuff.
    >> 
    >> Then I donʼt understand what's going on. What is your value of
    >> 'user-emacs-directory'?
    >> 
    >> Robert


    Andreas> user-emacs-directory is a variable defined in ‘subr.el’.
    Andreas> Its value is "~/.emacs.d/"

Hmm, so emacs should be attempting to load ~/.emacs.d/init.el or
~/.emacs in that case.

Robert

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Andreas Röhler]

Am 15.01.20 um 14:47 schrieb Robert Pluim:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:18:33 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
>      Andreas> Am 15.01.20 um 14:06 schrieb Robert Pluim:
>      >>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:36:58 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
>      >> >> Does ~/.config/emacs exist?
>      >>
>      Andreas> No, doesn't exist. Just ~/.config with a plenty of other stuff.
>      >>
>      >> Then I donʼt understand what's going on. What is your value of
>      >> 'user-emacs-directory'?
>      >>
>      >> Robert
>
>
>      Andreas> user-emacs-directory is a variable defined in ‘subr.el’.
>      Andreas> Its value is "~/.emacs.d/"
>
> Hmm, so emacs should be attempting to load ~/.emacs.d/init.el or
> ~/.emacs in that case.
>
> Robert


Don't see an init.el in emacs.d.

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:21:53 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:

      Andreas> Don't see an init.el in emacs.d.

Then I donʼt know what's going on. Does 'strace emacs' give any clues
as to which file(s) Emacs might be trying to read?

Robert

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Andreas Röhler]

On 15.01.20 16:14, Robert Pluim wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:21:53 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
>        Andreas> Don't see an init.el in emacs.d.
>
> Then I donʼt know what's going on. Does 'strace emacs' give any clues
> as to which file(s) Emacs might be trying to read?
>
> Robert

My .emacs serves as dispatch. Will send it with privat mail. Maybe you 
can spot the reason there.

Thanks again,

Andreas

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 17:07:58 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:

    Andreas> On 15.01.20 16:14, Robert Pluim wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:21:53 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
    Andreas> Don't see an init.el in emacs.d.
    >> 
    >> Then I donʼt know what's going on. Does 'strace emacs' give any clues
    >> as to which file(s) Emacs might be trying to read?
    >> 
    >> Robert

    Andreas> My .emacs serves as dispatch. Will send it with privat mail. Maybe you
    Andreas> can spot the reason there.

Now Iʼm confused. I thought you said Emacs wasn't loading .emacs? What
good would me looking at it do?

Robert

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Andreas Röhler]

On 16.01.20 08:36, Robert Pluim wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 17:07:58 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
>      Andreas> On 15.01.20 16:14, Robert Pluim wrote:
>      >>>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:21:53 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
>      Andreas> Don't see an init.el in emacs.d.
>      >>
>      >> Then I donʼt know what's going on. Does 'strace emacs' give any clues
>      >> as to which file(s) Emacs might be trying to read?
>      >>
>      >> Robert
>
>      Andreas> My .emacs serves as dispatch. Will send it with privat mail. Maybe you
>      Andreas> can spot the reason there.
>
> Now Iʼm confused. I thought you said Emacs wasn't loading .emacs? What
> good would me looking at it do?
>
> Robert


Was afraid my diagnose might be wrong. If something in .emacs prevents 
further loading, how can I be sure it was accessed at all?

Best,

Andreas

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:15:27 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:

    Andreas> Was afraid my diagnose might be wrong. If something in .emacs prevents
    Andreas> further loading, how can I be sure it was accessed at all?

By running 'strace emacs' and looking for calls that access .emacs

Robert

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Andreas Röhler]

On 16.01.20 10:44, Robert Pluim wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:15:27 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
>      Andreas> Was afraid my diagnose might be wrong. If something in .emacs prevents
>      Andreas> further loading, how can I be sure it was accessed at all?
>
> By running 'strace emacs' and looking for calls that access .emacs
>
> Robert


Okay, got it: Turns out being a typo in my bash-alias. There was a "-q" 
where it shouldn't be.

Thanks and sorry for the noise.

Andreas

bug#39132: 28.0.50; dot-emacs init-file not loaded

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 11:22:52 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:

    Andreas> On 16.01.20 10:44, Robert Pluim wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:15:27 +0100, Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de> said:
    Andreas> Was afraid my diagnose might be wrong. If something in .emacs prevents
    Andreas> further loading, how can I be sure it was accessed at all?
    >> 
    >> By running 'strace emacs' and looking for calls that access .emacs
    >> 
    >> Robert


    Andreas> Okay, got it: Turns out being a typo in my bash-alias. There was a
    Andreas> "-q" where it shouldn't be.

    Andreas> Thanks and sorry for the noise.

No worries. Closing the bug.

Robert