From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Berndl, Klaus" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: AW: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:08:09 +0100 Message-ID: <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09227D1FF5@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> References: <86bpf7q3fc.wl%lluis@ginnungagap.pc.ac.upc.edu> <87wrxvyijr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B8C42E2.3080308@siege-engine.com> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09227D1F24@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> <878wabxg0x.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mxyrhxq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <7697A57B1AD9104F993CDF6A5B69430C09227D1FCE@CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1267528207 5177 80.91.229.12 (2 Mar 2010 11:10:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 02 12:10:03 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmPzG-0005HM-I7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:10:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54859 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmPzF-0005d1-RM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:10:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NmPxt-0005E0-28 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:08:37 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33404 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NmPxr-0005Dk-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:08:36 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmPxr-00036s-8h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:08:35 -0500 Original-Received: from spfdefra01.capgemini.com ([194.11.253.100]:5186) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NmPxp-00036U-Iy; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 06:08:33 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.49,566,1262559600"; d="scan'208";a="264971537" Original-Received: from unknown (HELO corpmx13.corp.capgemini.com) ([205.223.229.59]) by IRDEFRA-C650-01-D2-incoming.capgemini.com with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-MD5; 02 Mar 2010 12:08:30 +0100 Original-Received: from CORPMAIL08.corp.capgemini.com ([205.223.229.25]) by CORPMX13 ([205.223.229.59]) with mapi; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:08:11 +0100 Thread-Topic: AW: Fwd: CEDET sync Thread-Index: Acq59Uc30yMHFPMaRjOzwX32w3RJZAAAZkGg In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: de-DE, en-US X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121532 Archived-At: On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Berndl, Klaus wrote: >> >>>I think the worst problem is the scattering of scarce resources. Eric >>>Ludlam is such a resource ;-) >> >> exactly - therefore my vote for focussing the scarce resources to the mo= st >> important tasks - otherwise there will be a very high risk to get bogged >> down... >And you are of course a scarce resource too and I have noticed you >have had difficulties to find time to support ECB as you want to. Yes, indeed - and therefore i have made hard priorities: 1. Making ECB compatible with current Emacs-development-stream (currently 2= 3.2) 2. Fixing serious bugs 3. - 5. Nothing 6. Some small and not time-consuming enhancements 7. Some but only very few compatibility checks after 1 - 6 if Xemacs still = works This eats up all my time available for maintaining ECB. Unfortunatelly i ha= ve no time (and probably will not find any time in the near-term and medium-term futur= e) to work on the heavy rewritting of the layout engine for the sake of eliminati= ng (or at least=20 reducing) the bunch of heavy-weighted advices and instead bringing forward = the emacs- display-engine to be ready for layouting something like ECB without the nee= d of advices. This would be also a good example for the conflict between the advantages o= f merging ECB into Emacs and the value uphelding compatibility of Xemacs: Replacing the ECB-ad= vices with Emacs-internal mechanisms would in fact either throw away the XEmacs-compat= ibility of ECB or would "cost" an even much more complex layout code of ECB as it is curre= ntly. Well, merging ECB and my available time is off-topic to this thread... ;-) >It is a common and serious problem and one we must fight if we want >free software to succeed.