From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4562: 23.1; Customize State button problems Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:37:07 -0700 Message-ID: <75988BB2DE8C4DE6A16228719FF4E6EF@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Drew Adams , 4562@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1253990885 18864 80.91.229.12 (26 Sep 2009 18:48:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:48:05 +0000 (UTC) To: Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 26 20:47:58 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MrcJH-00007u-Uh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:47:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41455 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MrcJH-0000Pt-Eu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:47:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MrcIa-0008SQ-Mc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:47:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MrcIW-0008PQ-Ol for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:47:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=45812 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MrcIW-0008PC-GI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:47:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:35868) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MrcIV-0000Uu-TA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:47:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8QIl5Ic028654; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:47:05 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n8QIj5Gw028177; Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:45:05 -0700 Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:45:05 -0700 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:45:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 4562 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.125399024227251 (code B ref -1); Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:45:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 26 Sep 2009 18:37:22 +0000 X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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M-x customize-option default-frame-alist The State text says "CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable.", which is untrue. This is immediately after using `emacs -Q'. 2. Not only that, but the State menu shows `Undo Edits', even though nothing has ever been edited. 3. If you in fact choose `Undo Edits', nothing happens, and `Undo Edits' remains active in the State menu. 4. If you edit, e.g. click a DEL button, and then Set for Current Session, and then you click `Reset to Backup', then the message says "CHANGED outside Customize; operating on it here may be unreliable." Again, this is incorrect - nothing was changed outside Customize. In general, the State menu and its messages are pretty messed up. It is quite confusing and error prone. Customize is supposed to be, among other things, intended for non-Lisper novice users. It's no wonder that so many hate it or give up in disbelief or incomprehension. In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-29 on SOFT-MJASON Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4)'