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From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
To: Alexander Miller <alexanderm@web.de>, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, yyoncho@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Questions about throw-on-input
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:39:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <742c0a6f-fc4c-6ac1-0233-85ad8671e199@dancol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <72ec0924-42f3-9f55-7edb-b2f9b678f707@web.de>

On 5/11/20 10:39 AM, Alexander Miller wrote:
>  >> Do we want that?
>  >
>  > I don't know. But hanging because `select` doesn't return the needed
>  > information doesn't seem right either. Maybe rather than signal an
>  > error, we should somehow make the main thread run that code, so as to
>  > return the right answer?
> 
> That could be a game-changer, it would open up the path for making Elisp
> a lot more asynchronous than it is now. You could load up heavy work on
> a background thread, and (of course assuming it can be slit into smaller
> pieces) simply yield whenever input is detected. 

Sure. You can also have Emacs run itself as a subprocess.

> And while we are on the topic of threads, I wonder what is the
> maintainers' opinion on https://nullprogram.com/blog/2018/05/31/,
> specifically this part:
> 
>  > Update: ThreadSanitizer (TSan) quickly shows that Emacs’ threading
>  > implementation has many data races, making it completely
>  > untrustworthy. Until this is fixed, nobody should use Emacs threads
>  > for any purpose, and threads should disabled at compile time.

Is TSan is just getting confused by the global lock? We don't have any 
parallelism, so data races shouldn't be happening at all.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-12  2:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-10 13:47 Questions about throw-on-input Alexander Miller
2020-05-11 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-11 15:21   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11 16:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-11 17:27       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11 17:39         ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-11 18:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-11 18:24           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11 19:48             ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-11 20:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-12 22:33                 ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-13 14:43                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-13 18:47                     ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-14  8:32                     ` Philipp Stephani
2020-05-14 14:23                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-14 14:37                         ` Philipp Stephani
2020-05-14 16:56                       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-15  3:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:54                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15  8:19                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-15 15:45                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 16:46                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-15 17:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 17:50                                     ` yyoncho
2020-05-15 18:44                                       ` Alexander Miller
2020-05-15 18:55                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 19:46                                         ` Philipp Stephani
2020-05-15 18:00                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-15 17:35                                 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-15 19:47                                 ` chad
2020-05-16 11:29                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-12  2:39           ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2020-05-12 14:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-11 18:17         ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-09 13:09 Alexander Miller
2020-05-10 11:11 ` yyoncho
2020-05-07  7:31 Ivan Yonchovski
2020-05-07 12:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-07 14:28   ` Ivan Yonchovski
2020-05-07 21:11   ` yyoncho
2020-05-08  1:58     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08  4:36       ` yyoncho
2020-05-08  4:43         ` yyoncho
2020-05-12  4:15       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-05-08 10:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 11:23       ` Ivan Yonchovski
2020-05-08 11:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-08 11:55           ` yyoncho
2020-05-08 14:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-08 18:04           ` yyoncho
2020-05-07 13:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 15:36   ` Ivan Yonchovski

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