From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <7402a1d8-9ce8-4676-9b9b-9c2b6569a2f1@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> References: <87ljxoffs6.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <71208e97-140c-445d-8eda-1705f11b14b3@r15g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <095ef0c0-c7f4-494d-8bf6-8a5ee43fd934@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <3c61c357-0705-4ff4-b793-fa6827415fdd@n38g2000prl.googlegroups.com> <9b7f6c54-649a-45d0-8e9b-0dbbd61ef1dd@c36g2000prc.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222576884 11959 80.91.229.12 (28 Sep 2008 04:41:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 04:41:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 28 06:42:18 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kjo6o-0001JH-8K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:42:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34181 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kjo5l-0005Fv-JA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2008 00:41:09 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 72 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1222573416 5259 127.0.0.1 (28 Sep 2008 03:43:36 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162813 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:58155 Archived-At: On Sep 27, 11:12 am, "B. T. Raven" wrote: > Your attempts at polishing your prose have not yet yielded any > improvement that I can see. my posts here are not polished. On average, they are written at the rate perhaps 50 wpm. There are too many to reply to. Most articles that went to my website are polished versions. e.g. The Modernization of Emacs http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html Suggestions on Emacs's Scratch Buffer http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_scratch_buffer.html Emacs's M-=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA Notation vs Alt+=E2=80=B9key=E2=80=BA Notat= ion. http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_meta_key.html much content in these articles are orginially newsgroup posts. > Remember that RMS wasn't and maybe still isn't a touch typist. I don't know about that. I knew at one period of time he had serious RSI that he resorted to or was using voice input systems. (this would be somewhere in early to mid 1990s, or possibly earlier) In fact, many emacs celebrity has serious RSI. Richard Stallman, Jamie Zawinski (xemacs, netscape fame), Ben Wing (quite ex-xemacs leader). Richard's got pages talking about it i read somewhere i think in late 1990s, not sure if they are still around. Jamie has written a fairly popular page about RSI on his website. Info on Ben is hard to find, but you can see Jamie mentions the fact. I think he is the most serious case to some permanent degree he no longer program in any professional capacity. of course, in this thread Lennart (author of emacsW32) mentioned about Alex (starter of emacswiki.org)'s RSI ... if fact, there are lots webpages talking about emacs induced RSI. all these should really be blamed on emacs keybinding, being the most shit design possible. See: http://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_kb_shortcuts_pain.html > Most of these don't matter with the exception of c, h, t, n, for cursor > movement in the dvorak layout. I am not nearly as cavalier as you are > about abandoning the mnemonic connotations of the keybindings as they > have evolved under wise and prudent aegis of the developers. Thinking that emacs ways or emacs keybinding must have designed by some wise group of people for some good reasons, is a misconception. The origin of emacs basic keybindings, can be seen from Daniel Weinreb, who reasonably claims that =E2=80=9Cnobody has been using Emacs blonger than i have=E2=80=9D. For detail and source, see my article above. ---------------------------------- at this point, i got tired and too lazy to read further of your post. Maybe i'll pickup later. Thanks for the effort though. Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84