Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls

[Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>]

On 12/3/17 12:18 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

>> That would potentially solve some percentage of the problems with
>> MMM support.  But what about the rest?
> 
> They would clearly need other work doing on them.  Richard suggested
> building something similar to narrowing for the excusive use of MMM.

This sounds fairly different from your islands proposal. And the notion 
that you've already described a full solution, and was only waiting for 
approval.

> Standards are created by like-minded experts coming together, thrashing
> things out, and finally agreeing on some reasonable set of compromises;
> not by a lone hacker, no matter how expert, throwing something together
> in his bedroom.

That's very debatable. Most good standards come from working experience, 
and usually some working product (or a codebase).

A lot of standards that start in a meeting room don't leave one. Just 
look at the multitude of discussions here that don't move anywhere. Also 
see "design by committee".

Discussion is important, of course, but it has to be constructive from 
all sides.

> It may be possible to rebuild CC Mode to conform to this "standard", but
> it would be a lot of work, the "standard" would need enhancements[*], CC
> Mode would run more slowly, and its users wouldn't see any benefit.

Would you like to provide a benchmark that Stefan could try and see if 
the syntax-ppss based code indeed runs "more slowly"?

Anyway, this seems irrelevant to this discussion.