* To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
@ 2010-06-08 15:26 Paul Chany
2010-06-08 23:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Paul Chany @ 2010-06-08 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
Hi,
I'm using Emacs to program in Objective-C following a GNUstep Tutorial.
In the application that I made there is a resource file for localisation
(translation): Ablak.strings.
The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters) or
Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
How can I get this file using Emacs?
Any advices will be appreciated!
--
Regards,
Paul Chany
You can freely correct my English.
http://csanyi-pal.info
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
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@ 2010-06-08 17:38 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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From: Pascal J. Bourguignon @ 2010-06-08 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
Paul Chany <csanyipal@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Emacs to program in Objective-C following a GNUstep Tutorial.
> In the application that I made there is a resource file for localisation
> (translation): Ablak.strings.
>
> The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters) or
> Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
>
> How can I get this file using Emacs?
The generation of the byte-order-marker is automatic, for utf-16-be or
utf-16-le. It is meaningless for utf-8.
Just put on the first or second line of the file a comment specifyin
the coding system you want:
/* -*- coding:utf-16-be -*- */
--
__Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
2010-06-08 15:26 To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters? Paul Chany
@ 2010-06-08 23:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-11 20:59 ` Paul Chany
2010-06-13 4:55 ` tomas
[not found] ` <mailman.2.1276404928.6139.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-06-08 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
> From: Paul Chany <csanyipal@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:26:21 +0200
>
> The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters) or
> Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
>
> How can I get this file using Emacs?
C-x RET f utf-8-with-signature RET
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
2010-06-08 23:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2010-06-11 20:59 ` Paul Chany
2010-06-12 5:56 ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-06-12 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Paul Chany @ 2010-06-11 20:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 585 bytes --]
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Paul Chany <csanyipal@gmail.com>
>>
>> The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters) or
>> Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
>>
>> How can I get this file using Emacs?
>
> C-x RET f utf-8-with-signature RET
Well, when I did so I get the following message:
<NSException: 0x9f91dd0> NAME:NSGenericException REASON:Parse failed at
line 2 (char 41) - unexpected character (wanted ';') INFO:(nil)
and the translation don't works. :(
What's wrong with it?
I attach the file here (it's small):
[-- Attachment #2: Ablak.strings --]
[-- Type: application/octet-stream, Size: 87 bytes --]
"Ablakot bezár" = "Zatvara aplikaciju"
"Jó napot kívánok!" = "Dobar dan želim!"
[-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 83 bytes --]
--
Regards,
Paul Chany
You can freely correct my English.
http://csanyi-pal.info
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
2010-06-11 20:59 ` Paul Chany
@ 2010-06-12 5:56 ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-06-12 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Kevin Rodgers @ 2010-06-12 5:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
Paul Chany wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> From: Paul Chany <csanyipal@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters) or
>>> Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
>>>
>>> How can I get this file using Emacs?
>> C-x RET f utf-8-with-signature RET
>
> Well, when I did so I get the following message:
>
> <NSException: 0x9f91dd0> NAME:NSGenericException REASON:Parse failed at
> line 2 (char 41) - unexpected character (wanted ';') INFO:(nil)
>
> and the translation don't works. :(
> What's wrong with it?
>
> I attach the file here (it's small):
I saved the file and visited it in Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-apple-darwin8.11.1, NS
apple-appkit-824.48), and no errors or warnings were reported.
`C-h C RET' displays:
Coding system for saving this buffer:
U -- utf-8-with-signature-unix
...
and with the cursor over character 41 (the second character on line 2),
`C-u C-x =' displays:
character: ó (243, #o363, #xf3)
preferred charset: unicode (Unicode (ISO10646))
code point: 0xF3
syntax: w which means: word
category: .:Base, c:Chinese, j:Japanese, l:Latin, v:Viet
buffer code: #xC3 #xB3
file code: #xEF #xBB #xBF #xC3 #xB3
(encoded by coding system utf-8-with-signature-unix)
display: by this font (glyph code)
nil:-apple-Monaco-medium-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1 (#x79)
Character code properties: customize what to show
name: LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH ACUTE
old-name: LATIN SMALL LETTER O ACUTE
general-category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase)
decomposition: (111 769) ('o' '́')
--
Kevin Rodgers
Denver, Colorado, USA
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
2010-06-11 20:59 ` Paul Chany
2010-06-12 5:56 ` Kevin Rodgers
@ 2010-06-12 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-06-12 11:49 ` Paul Chany
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2010-06-12 11:24 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
> From: Paul Chany <csanyipal@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:59:02 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> From: Paul Chany <csanyipal@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters) or
> >> Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
> >>
> >> How can I get this file using Emacs?
> >
> > C-x RET f utf-8-with-signature RET
>
> Well, when I did so I get the following message:
>
> <NSException: 0x9f91dd0> NAME:NSGenericException REASON:Parse failed at
> line 2 (char 41) - unexpected character (wanted ';') INFO:(nil)
>
> and the translation don't works. :(
> What's wrong with it?
What did you do exactly? Can you show a precise recipe starting with
"emacs -Q" that causes this problem?
FWIW, if I save the file you sent and then type
C-x RET c utf-8-with-signature RET C-x C-f Ablak.strings RET
I get the file in the buffer without any problems.
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
2010-06-12 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2010-06-12 11:49 ` Paul Chany
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From: Paul Chany @ 2010-06-12 11:49 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Paul Chany <csanyipal@gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:59:02 +0200
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> >> From: Paul Chany <csanyipal@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters) or
>> >> Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
>> >>
>> >> How can I get this file using Emacs?
>> >
>> > C-x RET f utf-8-with-signature RET
>>
>> Well, when I did so I get the following message:
>>
>> <NSException: 0x9f91dd0> NAME:NSGenericException REASON:Parse failed at
>> line 2 (char 41) - unexpected character (wanted ';') INFO:(nil)
>>
>> and the translation don't works. :(
> What did you do exactly? Can you show a precise recipe starting with
> "emacs -Q" that causes this problem?
Sorry, it is ma mistake here!
The error occure not in Emacs but in my GNUstep application!
So I don't know how to create such a file that that the GNUstep don't
get me this error message!
--
Regards,
Paul Chany
You can freely correct my English.
http://csanyi-pal.info
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
2010-06-08 15:26 To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters? Paul Chany
2010-06-08 23:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2010-06-13 4:55 ` tomas
2010-06-13 8:14 ` Paul Chany
[not found] ` <mailman.2.1276404928.6139.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
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From: tomas @ 2010-06-13 4:55 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Paul Chany; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
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On Tue, Jun 08, 2010 at 05:26:21PM +0200, Paul Chany wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Emacs to program in Objective-C following a GNUstep Tutorial.
> In the application that I made there is a resource file for localisation
> (translation): Ablak.strings.
>
> The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters) or
> Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
Note that I have no clue about GNUstep, so I might be off by a big
amount, but -- are you sure the system wants a leading byte order mark
with UTF-8? (strictly speaking, it's unnecesary --rather slightly
annoying-- on UTF-8. I always thought that in entered the Unicode
consortium via Microsoft, who always likes to play this kind of
shenanigans on us).
You might try without leading BOM?
Regards
- -- tomás
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
2010-06-13 4:55 ` tomas
@ 2010-06-13 8:14 ` Paul Chany
2010-06-14 12:17 ` Paul Chany
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From: Paul Chany @ 2010-06-13 8:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
tomas@tuxteam.de writes:
> On Tue, Jun 08, 2010 at 05:26:21PM +0200, Paul Chany wrote:
>> I'm using Emacs to program in Objective-C following a GNUstep Tutorial.
>> In the application that I made there is a resource file for localisation
>> (translation): Ablak.strings.
>>
>> The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters) or
>> Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
>
> Note that I have no clue about GNUstep, so I might be off by a big
> amount, but -- are you sure the system wants a leading byte order mark
> with UTF-8? (strictly speaking, it's unnecesary --rather slightly
> annoying-- on UTF-8. I always thought that in entered the Unicode
> consortium via Microsoft, who always likes to play this kind of
> shenanigans on us).
> You might try without leading BOM?
Naturally, I was tried without leading BOM, but get the same error
message.
One GNUstep developer says the following:
'GNUstep expects the .strings file to be in US-ASCII only, or any
non-ASCII characters to be escaped, or in UTF-8 with a BOM marker.
Very annoying limitation; I think it is because of OpenStep
compatibility.'
--
Regards,
Paul Chany
You can freely correct my English.
http://csanyi-pal.info
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
2010-06-13 8:14 ` Paul Chany
@ 2010-06-14 12:17 ` Paul Chany
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From: Paul Chany @ 2010-06-14 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
Paul Chany <csanyipal@gmail.com> writes:
> tomas@tuxteam.de writes:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 08, 2010 at 05:26:21PM +0200, Paul Chany wrote:
>>> I'm using Emacs to program in Objective-C following a GNUstep
>>> Tutorial. In the application that I made there is a resource file
>>> for localisation (translation): Ablak.strings.
>>>
>>> The file should be ASCII (using \U escapes for unicode characters)
>>> or Unicode (UTF16 or UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker.
>>
>> Note that I have no clue about GNUstep, so I might be off by a big
>> amount, but -- are you sure the system wants a leading byte order
>> mark with UTF-8? (strictly speaking, it's unnecesary --rather
>> slightly annoying-- on UTF-8. I always thought that in entered the
>> Unicode consortium via Microsoft, who always likes to play this kind
>> of shenanigans on us).
>
>> You might try without leading BOM?
>
> Naturally, I was tried without leading BOM, but get the same error
> message.
I get the solution!
The .strings file is actually a C file so the lines must be ended with
the ';' character. My .strings file has three lines and when I edited
it so so at and of every lines wrote the ';' character, and compile the
application, then the error message gone.
--
Regards,
Paul Chany
You can freely correct my English.
http://csanyi-pal.info
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
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@ 2010-06-15 13:56 ` Jason Rumney
[not found] ` <slrni1gaut.q6l.nospam-abuse@powdermilk.math.berkeley.edu>
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From: Jason Rumney @ 2010-06-15 13:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
On Jun 15, 1:29 pm, Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-ab...@ilyaz.org> wrote:
> On 2010-06-13, to...@tuxteam.de <to...@tuxteam.de> wrote:
> ??? If you know it it UTF-8, the BOM is not necessary. But the same
> holds for any other encoding of Unicode. So your sentiment makes no
> sense here...
Think about what the letters BOM stand for, and you might see why it
is relevant for UTF-16, but redundant for UTF-8.
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* Re: To get Unicode file (UTF8) with a leading byte-order-marker characters?
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@ 2010-06-16 14:10 ` Jason Rumney
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From: Jason Rumney @ 2010-06-16 14:10 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
On Jun 16, 9:35 pm, Harald Hanche-Olsen <han...@math.ntnu.no> wrote:
> Anyway, the BOM designation is deprecated. The proper unicode name for
> the character in question is ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE.
Its more complicated than that. It was previously renamed, then in a
later version of the Unicode spec, its use as a ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK
SPACE character was deprecated as WORD JOINER, ZERO WIDTH JOINER and
ZERO WIDTH NON-JOINER provide the same functionality with more
detailed meaning, so it retains only the BOM usage, with the ZWNBSP
name. Welcome to design by committee!
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