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From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
To: bob@rattlesnake.com, mathias.dahl@gmail.com
Cc: emacs- devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Scratch buffer annoyance
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:15:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <73FCF89B-4659-4E0B-B714-2378A0DA405A@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1IAsr2-002KM1C@rattlesnake.com>

On 17 Jul 2007, at 20:37, Robert J. Chassell wrote:

>  1. provide a variable to prevent automatic saving of the *scratch*
>     buffer when you exit;

Can we implement this as a minor mode, which could be used for other  
buffers as well? That way, users could define further persistent  
buffers that would exist across Emacs sessions. I'd find that useful.

>  2. provide a variable to set the *scratch* buffer's initial major  
> mode
>     to lisp-interaction-mode.

`initial-major-mode' already exists and does just that.

> Indeed, the initial-scratch-message says `This buffer
> is for notes you don't want to save ...' and the buffer is in
> lisp-interaction-mode.

I just don't get why people would take "notes" in lisp-interaction-mode.

Mathias Dahl wrote:

> Another popular editor, vim, seems to work just like that. No way I
> can edit as a new user of vim without following the on-screen
> instructions.

Is that a good thing? I don't think so.

Alfred M Szmidt wrote:

> That message could be in the scratch buffer, just like for the
> splash-screen.  Infact, inhibit-splash-screen would become unnecessary
> with this scheme, the splash-screen would be *scratch*.  One could
> then have a inhibit-read-only-splash-screen variable that people could
> flip to get what is the current behaviour.

Why so complicated? Perhaps one could show an empty buffer that has  
buffer-offer-save set to t and leave *scratch* the way it is. People  
would then stop using *scratch* for important stuff that should  
really be saved, but they could start writing right away.

In Aquamacs, we don't display a splash screen, but we display the GNU  
message and copyrights in the Echo area. People get a *scratch*  
buffer in text-mode with buffer-offer-save. I think this gets the  
message across and still allows people to begin their work. But  
displaying an empty buffer as described before might be even better,  
if one really doesn't like the idea of a persistent scratch pad.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-17 22:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 218+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-06  0:06 Scratch buffer annoyance Chong Yidong
2007-07-06  4:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-15 21:37 ` Leo
2007-07-15 22:19   ` David Reitter
2007-07-15 22:42     ` Zhang Wei
2007-07-15 22:52     ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-16 15:49     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-15 22:24   ` Karl Fogel
2007-07-16 20:32     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-17 15:05       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-17 15:28         ` David Reitter
2007-07-17 15:50           ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-17 16:00             ` Johan Bockgård
2007-07-17 16:04             ` David Reitter
2007-07-17 16:57               ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-17 19:37                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-07-17 22:15                   ` David Reitter [this message]
2007-07-18 14:11                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18 15:53                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-07-17 18:42             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-17 19:50               ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-17 20:01                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-17 16:02           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-17 16:10             ` David Reitter
2007-07-18 20:53             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18 21:28               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 21:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-17 18:42           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-17 18:55             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-17 20:31               ` Mathias Dahl
2007-07-17 21:56               ` Jason Rumney
2007-07-18  0:35                 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-07-17 19:59             ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-17 20:28               ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-18  9:22                 ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-18 10:23                   ` Tassilo Horn
2007-07-18 10:56                     ` Jan Djärv
2007-07-18 20:53               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18 20:53             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-18 14:11           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-17 16:36         ` Chong Yidong
2007-07-18 20:53           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-17 17:48         ` Drew Adams
2007-07-18 20:29           ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-19  0:00             ` Drew Adams
2007-07-19 14:25             ` Mathias Dahl
2007-07-19 14:45               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 15:44               ` Peter Lee
2007-07-20 13:42                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-20 21:01                   ` Drew Adams
2007-07-21  8:54                     ` Mathias Dahl
2007-07-21  9:35                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21  9:48                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21 15:14                           ` Drew Adams
2007-07-21 15:46                             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 10:05                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22 10:40                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-23  4:29                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22  1:49                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22 13:26                               ` Drew Adams
2007-07-23  4:28                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-21 18:07                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-23  4:28                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-23 21:45                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-24 16:45                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-25  0:12                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-25  5:24                             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-27 21:20                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-27 21:16                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-29  2:23                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-29  9:18                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-29  9:46                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-29 14:28                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-07-30 16:44                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-31  8:51                                   ` Miles Bader
2007-07-31 13:09                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-31 14:29                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-31 20:22                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-01  4:34                                       ` Miles Bader
2007-08-01  4:35                                       ` Miles Bader
2007-08-01  5:14                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01  5:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01  6:18                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01  7:46                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 14:32                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01  8:34                                         ` Jason Rumney
2007-08-01 14:32                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01 15:41                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2007-08-01 16:53                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01 17:19                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-08-01 17:54                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-07-31  8:54                                   ` Miles Bader
2007-07-31 13:09                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-07-31 14:29                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-07-31 14:42                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 16:45                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-01 17:05                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01 18:09                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 18:29                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-08-01 19:43                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 19:54                                                 ` Davis Herring
2007-08-01 21:09                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-08-01 23:15                                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-08-01 23:21                                                       ` Davis Herring
2007-08-02  0:45                                                         ` Miles Bader
2007-08-02 23:42                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-03 18:16                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-03 22:02                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-04  7:02                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05  3:05                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-05  6:57                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05 20:54                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-05 16:59                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-06 14:19                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-06 14:35                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-08-07  1:22                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-07  6:13                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-08-07 20:11                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-07 20:57                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-08-09  0:07                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-09 19:54                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-09 22:24                                                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-08-11  5:05                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 23:16                                                                                     ` buffer-auto-mode-alist (was: Scratch buffer annoyance) Juri Linkov
2007-08-20 18:31                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-08 22:59                                                                     ` Scratch buffer annoyance Juri Linkov
2007-08-08 23:53                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-08-09 19:47                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-09 20:09                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-08-11  5:05                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-12 20:45                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-12 23:20                                                                               ` Johan Bockgård
2007-08-13  5:00                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-13  5:57                                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-08-14  0:28                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-15 23:32                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-16  0:59                                                                                       ` Glenn Morris
2007-08-16 20:11                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-17  4:50                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-17 22:35                                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-19  0:44                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 14:45                                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-19 22:30                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-17 23:32                                                                                             ` Glenn Morris
2007-08-19 14:50                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-19 22:30                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 23:21                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-20 18:31                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-20 23:28                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-21  9:07                                                                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2007-08-21 23:23                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-23  0:14                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-23 20:58                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-25 14:28                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-25 17:06                                                                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-08-25 19:44                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-08-25 19:53                                                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-08-25 20:38                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-08-25 23:33                                                                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-08-26  5:33                                                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-08-26 14:56                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-26 23:45                                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <E1IPj9w-0003bw-4e@fencepost.gnu.org>
2007-09-02 21:01                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-03 18:25                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-03 23:46                                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-04 16:45                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-04 22:57                                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-05 20:02                                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-06 14:54                                                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  8:57                                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-08  7:00                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  8:55                                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-08  7:00                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  8:56                                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-07 17:56                                                                                                                                         ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-07 22:54                                                                                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-08 19:47                                                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 12:35                                                                                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-09 20:06                                                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 12:36                                                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-09 20:06                                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-07  6:32                                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 15:30                                                                                               ` Mathias Dahl
2007-08-19 17:48                                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-20 15:17                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 22:30                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 23:21                                                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-20 18:31                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-20 23:29                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-20  2:29                                                                                                   ` Glenn Morris
2007-08-20  8:13                                                                                                     ` Mathias Dahl
2007-08-20 18:30                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-20 23:28                                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-21 23:23                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-16  2:42                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-16 20:12                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-17  4:50                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-19 14:55                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-19 22:30                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-08-13 23:30                                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-08-02 15:09                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-08-02 23:42                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-19 18:28             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2007-07-21 17:13             ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-21 18:12               ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-21 18:52                 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-21 19:24                   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 18:37                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22 19:09                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 21:43                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-07-23 18:07                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-22 19:41                   ` Drew Adams
2007-07-22 19:58                     ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18 20:53           ` Richard Stallman

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