From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Riley Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:40:38 +0100 Organization: aich tea tea pea dicky riley dot net Message-ID: <739bsoysp.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> References: <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87boqi6tzz.fsf@linux-hvfx.site> <87ehve3ul8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lipl22xm.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87boqh20ha.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871urc46c9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325914861 25489 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2012 05:41:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 05:41:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 07 06:40:58 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjP1V-0003U3-Vc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:40:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43898 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjP1V-0001Xb-Fx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:40:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41691) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjP1R-0001XJ-Qb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:40:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjP1Q-0004aw-DI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:40:53 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:59010) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RjP1Q-0004as-2q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 00:40:52 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RjP1O-0003RL-OO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:40:50 +0100 Original-Received: from 85.183.18.158 ([85.183.18.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:40:50 +0100 Original-Received: from rileyrg by 85.183.18.158 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2012 06:40:50 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 54 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 85.183.18.158 Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:8xlLiU+ZkKU0bbJ5CZ4xi11mNew= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147433 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > Richard Riley writes: > > Juanma Barranquero writes: > > > > The GnuTLS binary is *not* an "Emacs component". > > > > Silly word play. > > Not at all. It's an admirably precise statement of Juanma's opinion, > and it corresponds to what I believe to be the project's policy on > such things. It is word play when everyone knows its not an emacs developed component. The whole point is whether to ship this external components. Had you not snipped, my point would clearer. Ted said: ,---- | > I can't think of a better way to | > notify them that an Emacs component is out of date and possibly | > compromising their security. `---- and the reply was ,---- | The GnuTLS binary is *not* an "Emacs component". `---- It was quite clear in the context what was meant by "emacs component" : a component which contributes to a working and complete emacs installation. > > > It's a required component for Emacs in the context of this > > discussion. > > Of course it's not. Nothing related to Windows can be required of > Emacs, only permitted given the needed volunteers. > More word play. Sorry. Clearly no one thinks its an emacs component per se : but IS a component required by emacs on windows for certain subsets of emacs users. Its why this thread is taking place. Its not unique to emacs to have to or want to ship a support 3rd party element in order to facilitate installation. The location etc has been covered elsewhere. I dont want to bicker and be petty but felt Ted was getting a bit of a hard time for merely wanting to make things better for the end user and, more importantly, the new adopter.