From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: 22983@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 23:35:08 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <73903215-f94b-e194-7bfe-0d6350c95769@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160311212410.GG2888@acm.fritz.box>
On 03/11/2016 11:24 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
>> I think you mean that ppss-0 and ppss-1 must match independent of
>> narrowing, and also match (parse-partial-sexp 1 40000).
>
> Er no, I meant what I wrote: the result of (syntax-ppss pos) must match
> that of (parse-partial-sexp (point-min) pos). I think ppss-0 and ppss-1
> did actually match (but I can't quite remember).
I imagine they didn't. I got the same value in all three cases, though,
so your scenario could use some revising.
>> Considering narrowing can change point-min arbitrarily, specifying
>> (syntax-ppss pos) as (parse-partial-sexp (point-min) pos) is a losing
>> proposition if you want consistency.
>
> Indeed. But that is how syntax-ppss is specified, and (partially) how
> it is implemented.
That part of specification can be rephrased.
>> Alas, we have some code out there that implements multiple-major-mode
>> functionality using narrowing and some hacking of syntax-ppss-last
>> syntax-ppss-cache values.
>
>> Changing syntax-ppss to be independent of narrowing will break it, and
>> we'll need to provide some alternative first.
>
> syntax-ppss is broken, and can't be fixed.
It's used ubiquitously, so it must be working.
> The only sensible fix would
> be to specify that (syntax-ppss pos) is the same as (parse-partial-sexp
> 1 pos). But that is then a totally different function, and there are
> around 200 uses in the Emacs sources to check and fix, to say nothing of
> external code.
Not entirely different, no. AFAIK, these are the semantics the vast
majority of its usages expect. Except the multiple-major-mode case,
which we'd ideally try to accommodate, too.
>> We could introduce a syntax-ppss-dont-widen variable, though. Similar to
>> font-lock-dont-widen.
>
> I'm trying to figure that out. Wouldn't that still leave you with
> problems when point-min is inside a string?
syntax-ppss-dont-widen would be nil by default, it would be an escape
hatch toward the current semantics, for when the caller knows how to
manage narrowings, etc.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-03-11 21:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-03-11 15:15 bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-11 20:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-11 21:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-11 21:35 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2016-03-11 22:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-11 22:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-13 17:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-13 18:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-14 0:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-14 1:04 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-03 22:55 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-14 1:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-14 15:16 ` Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.] Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-14 17:34 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-14 20:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 22:51 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-20 2:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-20 12:15 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-20 15:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 1:05 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 3:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 5:05 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 7:13 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-21 12:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:13 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 16:42 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 18:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 19:16 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 20:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 20:33 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-21 20:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 21:03 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-21 21:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:45 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-22 14:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 18:17 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 1:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-23 13:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 18:26 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 2:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 10:56 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 11:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 12:39 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 15:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-23 21:51 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-24 7:30 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-21 11:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 5:08 ` [Patch] hard-widen-limits [was Re: Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.]] Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 12:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 12:54 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:14 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:33 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 17:16 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 18:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 19:18 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 3:17 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 9:57 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 10:05 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 11:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 16:28 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 19:36 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 2:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 11:41 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 12:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 12:41 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-29 21:43 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-22 14:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 7:22 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 7:28 ` Achim Gratz
2016-04-24 11:33 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 13:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 16:11 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 16:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 16:41 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 16:48 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 18:01 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 19:05 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-28 13:29 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-30 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 20:08 ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-22 22:45 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 11:47 ` Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.] Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 12:40 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 13:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 14:20 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 14:42 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:52 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 21:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 23:34 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-21 14:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:31 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 15:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 17:15 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-13 17:32 ` bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result Stefan Monnier
2016-03-13 18:52 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-13 18:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-18 0:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 12:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-19 18:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 0:51 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-27 1:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 22:58 ` John Wiegley
2016-04-03 23:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-02 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-02 17:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-02 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-03 20:44 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-04 23:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-05 6:57 ` Andreas Röhler
2017-09-05 12:28 ` John Wiegley
2017-09-07 20:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-08 16:04 ` Andreas Röhler
2017-09-10 18:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-09 9:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-09 10:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-09 12:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-10 11:42 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-10 11:36 ` bug#22983: [ Patch ] " Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-10 22:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-10 23:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-11 11:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-12 0:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-12 22:12 ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-11 19:42 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-11 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-11 0:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-11 20:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-12 0:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-17 10:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-17 23:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-18 19:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-19 0:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-19 20:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-22 14:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-24 11:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-25 23:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-10-01 16:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-10-04 20:07 ` Johan Bockgård
2017-09-17 11:12 ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-19 20:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-07 17:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-07 20:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 23:16 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-19 23:00 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-19 23:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
[not found] ` <mailman.7307.1457709188.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-10-01 16:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
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