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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316282 Archived-At: > On Feb 17, 2024, at 1:32=E2=80=AFPM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >>=20 >> From: JD Smith >> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 13:21:49 -0500 >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel >>=20 >> I agree that obsolete connotes =E2=80=9Cnever look here=E2=80=9D. =20 >=20 > That's not how we treat it. I was not speaking about how emacs maintainers treat obsolete, rather how en= d users and external package developers (may) perceive it. =20 If in 20 years I need to edit an IDL .pro file, I will use emacs and IDLWAVE= to do it (which, side note, is amazing you can say about any piece of softw= are!). So not really obsolete, just not actively maintained, and no longer p= art of core. =20=