From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Bingham, Jay" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: Understanding Emacs and Tabs Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:51:34 -0500 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <72A87F7160C0994D8C5A36E2FDC227F5059CF87C@txnexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1053359514 11745 80.91.224.249 (19 May 2003 15:51:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 19 17:51:50 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Hmuo-0002yW-00 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:51:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Hmpy-00054s-00 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 11:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19HmV9-0001st-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 11:24:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19HmTm-0001MN-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 11:23:41 -0400 Original-Received: from zcamail03.zca.compaq.com ([161.114.32.103]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19Hm0Q-0007LL-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:52:51 -0400 Original-Received: from cacexg11.americas.cpqcorp.net (cacexg11.americas.cpqcorp.net [16.105.250.94]) by zcamail03.zca.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544A9A12C; Mon, 19 May 2003 07:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from txnexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net ([16.74.7.244]) by cacexg11.americas.cpqcorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6673); Mon, 19 May 2003 07:51:35 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Understanding Emacs and Tabs Thread-Index: AcMcr2ucIq+Wlu+qQQiRZv1RBz0hcQBYXQ0Q Original-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kai_Gro=DFjohann?= , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2003 14:51:35.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[24AF7C20:01C31E16] X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9880 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:9880 On: Saturday, May 17, 2003 2:57 PM Kai Gro=DFjohann wrote: >"Bingham, Jay" writes: > >> As long as you are including this you might as well also include that >> M-i will also always insert an actual TAB character. > >No, M-i will obey indent-tabs-mode, AFAIK. > >In fact, I just tested it, it seems to be the case. > >Also, M-i advances to the next tab stop, and if that happens to be at >a spot that a tab character cannot reach, then M-i will use spaces >even if indent-tabs-mode is t. Kai, Let me first say that I have learned a great deal about Emacs from your = posts and I have a great deal of respect for you and your opinions. = However I think that your response was a bit hasty in this case. What you say may well be true if one has indent-tabs-mode enabled. = Since I do not have indent-tabs-mode enabled in my environment and I = suspect that the vast majority of the new users of Emacs, toward whom = Eric's web page is aimed, will not have it enabled either, I believe = that my statement will be valid in their environments as well. I have = no quick way to verify or refute your statement with regard to the = operation of M-i when indent-tabs-mode is enabled, since I do not have = it enabled. Nor do I care to go to the effort to verify your statement = since it appears that indent-tabs-mode is an add-in that must be = intentionally required to even be available (I am running Emacs 21.1 on = my PC and 20.4 on Unix based machines neither of which has it = available), unless of course someone inherits it by cloning another = user's .emacs. Regards, -_ J_) C_)ingham . HP - NonStop Austin Software & Services - Software Quality = Assurance . Austin, TX . "Language is the apparel in which your thoughts parade in public. . Never clothe them in vulgar and shoddy attire." -Dr. George W. = Crane-