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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.74 X-Spam-Score: -3.74 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0F44A46C56 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-TUID: 5Bz7/TkFk8Kn Hi All, On Sat, Aug 12, 2023, at 1:46 PM, Bastien Guerry wrote: > Same here, I'd be tempted to deny Org citizenship to inline tasks: it > always felt like a nice hack for a niche use-case, but a hack anyway. > > If it modifies Org syntax in surprising ways, this is another argument > for removing org-inlinetask.el from Org's core. Remember: this is not > to say that inline tasks are forbidden, it's just a message for users > that inline tasks are something not maintained by Org's core team. > >> And it is not clear how to fix this. We did not make inlinetasks into >> standard Org syntax in the past and now it is in the weird state when we >> have (featurep 'org-inlinetask) sprinkled across the code just to >> accommodate for this conditional syntax. > > Yes, this is ugly. As I've done the V2 rewrite of org-syntax and written a non-elisp Org parser from scratch, I feel like I'm in a decent position to comment on inline tasks. They are a syntactic abomination. If there is any chance of making inlinetasks an extra that is outside core Org/the Org spec, I think that would be for the best. Having a 15+ level headlines sometimes transform into a completely different syntactic element is ... really not nice. All the best, Timothy.