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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127316 Archived-At: On Jul 14, 2010, at 5:38 PM, Chong Yidong wrote: >=20 > That's what the subnodes are for. See "Semantic mode user commands" = for > a list of commands enabled by Semantic mode.=20 Starting out, how do I tell that it is the "Semantic" package that I = want to use in the first place? M-x info gives * Semantic: (semantic). Source code parser library and = utilities. While all people with a CS degree should know what "parser" means, this = headline does not adequately describe what it does at the _user_ level. = Internally it parses it and provides libraries, but how it goes about = providing its services hardly matters to the user. Nor can you inspect = the newbie to infer these things. I don't know what the right description is - I don't know Semantic well = enough. Apple calls it "CodeSense", which is a bit better (Sense as = English translation of Semantic), but that's still pretty idiosyncratic. = If there's an established term in the Eclipse/NetBeans/whatever world, = then that would be good (because people may well know it). Dito for the menu entry, "Source Code Parsers (Semantic)". Emacs = jargon. Other bad entries in the info directory include * Auth-source: (auth). The Emacs auth-source library. [user = level? different node in info directory?] * MH-E: (mh-e). Emacs interface to the MH mail system. = [ is this e-mail?? ] * Mairix: (mairix-el). Emacs interface to the Mairix mail = indexer. [ indexing? it's about searching&finding, to the user!] * SASL: (sasl). The Emacs SASL library. [user level? = different node in info directory?] That said, most of the headlines in the info top node are actually = pretty good!=