From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-29 9b775ddc057 1/2: ; * etc/EGLOT-NEWS: Fix wording of last change. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305897 Archived-At: On 06/05/2023 13:35, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 13:14:32 +0300 >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> >> On 06/05/2023 09:44, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> +using the more general command 'package-install', which by default >>> +will not upgrade "built-in" packages, those that come with Emacs. >> Friendly reminder: while 'M-x package-install' does not upgrade >> "built-in" packages "by default", it doesn't upgrade any other packages >> at all, ever. > Really? so what does package-install do? 'M-x package-install' installs a package if it's not already installed. >> I'd hate to create an impression in some users that 'package-install' is >> a suitable instrument to upgrade packages. > It isn't? then what is it for? See above. It also _can_ install a newer version of the package if the first argument is of type 'package-desc', but that's basically an internal overload, not something that can be user interactively, or easily in the init script. BTW, the value of package-install-upgrade-built-in has no effect on that "overload".