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From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:33:06 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7150D5AA-9F07-4479-8173-E10251372C7F@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <u3bm34ll8.fsf@gnu.org>


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On 11 Nov 2005, at 08:47, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

> The ^L is there so that one could use forward-page to quickly move to
> the next group.

That's great, but it shouldn't be displayed.

>
>> Isn't there a nicer way the groups can be separated?
>
> We could use overlays to display the ^L as something more visually
> appealing, while leaving ^L in the buffer.

Sounds like a complicated solution to me. But if that's the only way...


>
>> I also get a long list with latin key characters that are bound to
>> encoded-kbd-self-insert-ccl.
>
> I think this is a bug.
>
>> As a novice user when trying out the describe-bindings function, I
>> would see that there is a lot of uninteresting technical stuff at the
>> beginning
>
> Please be more specific: what uninteresting technical stuff is there
> at the beginning that you want to remove?

the bug described before.

> We could modify the help echo string to mention "shortcuts".  I don't
> think the name of the menu item itself should change, since this is
> Emacs terminology, and newbies need to learn it as fast as possible.

Unless newbies are successful at finding what they want (help on  
functions assigned to keys), there is no learning effect. They will  
just skip over "Key Bindings" if they don't know what a binding is.

And sorry, the echo area is not enough.

1. It is not displayed on my system when going through the menus.
2. the echo area is far away from the menus (visually), and I  
wouldn't be used to check it anyways when going through menus. Menu  
strings have to be self explanatory.

I think a useful compromise would be "Keyboard Commands". I don't  
think that this is inconsistent with Emacs terminology.

>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
>> Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature;
>> 	name=smime.p7s
>> Content-Disposition: attachment;
>> 	filename=smime.p7s
>
> Could you please drop this signature stuff?  It's very long and thus
> annoying.  TIA.

It's an attachment and shouldn't be displayed on your screen.
Most mail readers will display "signed".
This uses the S/MIME standard, which is fairly wide-spread.

I support encrypted e-mail and electronic signatures. You can get a  
free X.509 certificate (an open standard) at Thawte, and if you meet  
me in person one day and bring your passport, I can even notarize  
your certificate for you. 

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-11  9:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-10 20:29 describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming David Reitter
2005-11-10 21:27 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-10 21:38   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-11  1:03     ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-11-11  2:55       ` Miles Bader
2005-11-11  9:18         ` Kim F. Storm
2005-11-11  7:43       ` David Reitter
2005-11-11  9:05         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 10:20           ` Henrik Enberg
2005-11-13 20:54           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-13 22:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-13 23:13               ` David Reitter
2005-11-14  0:10                 ` Miles Bader
2005-11-14  0:19                   ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-14  4:28                     ` Stefan Monnier
2005-11-14 15:35                       ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-15  5:43                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-19 11:25                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-15  3:58                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-14  4:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-14 17:48                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14 18:18                       ` Help menu (was: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming) David Reitter
2005-11-15  4:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-15  4:11                           ` Help menu Juri Linkov
2005-11-15 17:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-15 18:07                         ` Help menu (was: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming) Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-15 18:19                           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-15 18:15                         ` Drew Adams
2005-11-16 22:04                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-16 23:29                             ` Drew Adams
2005-11-18 17:00                               ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-18 17:58                                 ` Drew Adams
2005-11-18 18:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-19 23:26                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-19 23:44                                       ` Drew Adams
2005-11-19 23:26                                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-19 23:44                                     ` Drew Adams
2005-11-16 22:04                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14 10:45                 ` describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming Jason Rumney
2005-11-11  8:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11  9:25       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11  8:51   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 18:02     ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 18:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 20:47         ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-11-11  8:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11  9:33   ` David Reitter [this message]
2005-11-11 10:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 10:17       ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 18:02   ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 19:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-11 19:10       ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 20:49         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-11 21:16           ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 21:26             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-11 22:32               ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 22:42             ` Miles Bader
2005-11-11 23:40               ` David Reitter
2005-11-11 21:25           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-12  6:32           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-12 12:28             ` Robert J. Chassell
2005-11-12 12:58               ` David Reitter
2005-11-12 14:28             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-11-12 19:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-12 20:20                 ` Miles Bader
2005-11-12  6:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-11-12 13:56           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-11 19:13       ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-13 20:54   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-11 19:35 ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-11 21:01   ` David Reitter
2005-11-12 21:19     ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-12 21:41       ` Drew Adams
2005-11-12 21:53         ` Miles Bader
2005-11-12 23:09           ` Drew Adams
2005-11-12 23:23             ` Chong Yidong
2005-11-12 23:35               ` Drew Adams
2005-11-14  4:54           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14  0:55         ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-13 20:54 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-13 21:16   ` Drew Adams
2005-11-13 21:23     ` Lennart Borgman
2005-11-13 23:06     ` David Reitter
2005-11-15  5:43       ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-29 17:11     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-29 18:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-30  4:56         ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-30  5:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-30 10:39           ` Andreas Schwab
2005-12-30 22:11             ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-14 11:59   ` David Reitter
2005-11-14 14:27     ` Drew Adams
2005-11-15  5:43     ` Richard M. Stallman

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