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From: "Dave Pawson" <dave.pawson@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: My emacs was upgraded and I am a novice again
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:56:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <711a73df0709230156h337dc87cw60a1f40a68b7c4df@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85myvdre11.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>

On 23/09/2007, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:

> Then perhaps it would be time to get acquainted with the documentation
> system of Emacs.

I agree David. I am. From the .texi files as my starting point.


> If you have not found the information, it is because you did not even
> think of asking Emacs for it.  The "Help" menu is there for a purpose.

I think I'm beginning to see that. And just how complete it is, from Tim
and other peoples input.
btw, Eli has agreed to add the reload term to the docs as another way into
'revert'.


>
> > Yes, another index, presuming familiarity with the oddities of
> > texinfo.  Eli tells me that it is the official policy of gnu. I find
> > that archaic.
>
> A working fast and efficient tool that is easy to use is not lightly
> replaced.  Hammers might be archaic tools, but they still do the job
> of driving nails.

Not sure of the analogy, but I'd suggest the comparator might be
a branch of a tree rather than a modern hammer.
The only part I find objectionable is having to bend the way I work
to an archaic tool.


>
> > http://savannah.gnu.org/search/index.php?type_of_search=soft&words=%%%
> > there isn't even a general gnu documentation list, seems that
> > texinfo is a given and not open to a challenge.
>
> There is no working challenge around.  HTML does not contain useful
> indexing and structuring information.

I believe there is. XML, not html. utf-8/16 encoding. Semantic markup way
beyond what .texi can do, structured, encoding, fully supported by transforms
etc. Eli points out the low likelihood of gnu adopting XML as a documentation
system, which I can see.

http://docbook2x.sourceforge.net/ even provides the transform so that Tim
and others can continue to use the texi system. What you'd do with the
Euro (&#x20AC;)
I'm less sure, but perhaps there aren't any non-English speaking emacs users?

regards


-- 
Dave Pawson
XSLT XSL-FO FAQ.
http://www.dpawson.co.uk

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-23  8:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-20 18:22 My emacs was upgraded and I am a novice again Bruce Korb
2007-09-20 23:40 ` David Hansen
2007-09-21  9:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-21 11:21   ` Dave Pawson
     [not found]   ` <mailman.1105.1190373701.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-21 11:36     ` Joost Kremers
2007-09-21 17:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-21 19:17       ` Tom Tromey
2007-09-22  5:04         ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-22  7:39           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22  8:56             ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-22  9:21               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 13:12                 ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-22 14:28                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 16:26                     ` Drew Adams
2007-09-22 16:23                   ` Drew Adams
2007-09-22 16:37                     ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-22 18:23                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:36                       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.1154.1190466767.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23  7:45                   ` Tim X
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1149.1190451373.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23  6:49               ` Tim X
2007-09-23  8:26                 ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-23 11:13                 ` Bastien
2007-09-23 16:14             ` Tom Tromey
2007-09-23 19:10               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <mailman.1193.1190574615.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-24  0:38                 ` Johan Bockgård
2007-09-24  4:25                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-25  8:54                 ` Tim X
     [not found]             ` <mailman.1189.1190565460.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23 16:52               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 17:27                 ` Tom Tromey
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.1192.1190569877.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23 18:03                   ` Joost Kremers
2007-10-17 23:19                 ` David Combs
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1147.1190437481.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.\x04org>
2007-09-23  5:56           ` Tim X
2007-09-23  7:18             ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-23  5:01     ` Tim X
2007-09-23  6:25       ` Dave Pawson
2007-09-24  0:15       ` Sean Sieger
     [not found]       ` <mailman.1172.1190528732.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23  8:18         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23  8:56           ` Dave Pawson [this message]
2007-09-23 19:11             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <mailman.\x041177.1190537774.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-23  9:25             ` David Kastrup
2007-10-17 23:23           ` AH HA! it's a MENU item! " David Combs
2007-09-24  4:09         ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-24  8:36           ` David Hansen
2007-09-24 21:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-24 22:41             ` Emre Sahin
2007-09-24 23:10               ` Bastien
2007-09-25 15:47                 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 21:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-25 21:46                     ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26  9:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-26 14:47                         ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 15:05                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-26 16:10                             ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25  4:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-25 11:06                 ` Emre Sahin
2007-09-25 21:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <mailman.1254.1190675441.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-25  5:52                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25  7:08                   ` Bastien
2007-09-24  8:05         ` Tim X
2007-09-24 16:12           ` Sean Sieger
     [not found] <mailman.1081.1190330833.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-09-21  4:35 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-23 20:17 ` Tom Horsley
2007-09-23 20:31   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 21:11     ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 10:51     ` Tom Horsley
2007-09-24 21:49       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-25  8:57   ` Tim X
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-06 18:44 Bruce Korb
     [not found] <mailman.1779.1191696304.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2007-10-07  5:45 ` Tim X
2007-10-10 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier

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