From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hadron Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:07:15 +0200 Organization: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark Message-ID: <6umyxmosqk.fsf@googlemail.com> References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <877ioqdoq9.fsf@voyager.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185284510 29572 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2007 13:41:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:41:50 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 24 15:41:49 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDKe4-0008Td-M0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:41:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDKe4-0000pm-8X for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 09:41:48 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Trace: individual.net P0B/jei3JXMlFEmJL55S2AoDV2SFjMdOmVGVmzZzXUmFujZUBS X-Orig-Path: news.individual.net!news Cancel-Lock: sha1:2W7trJGu62n2qFjMioD3ATSeJN0= sha1:QOgG9/psnFQttoxcnEPysRGUU70= X-Face: 2h#||Cd#d%F*NCm59[_6/{1a@jy%; |j>{D~4^gKg(^i%7j0IK?+,/GmW&:CD5fEKb_! Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:150372 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:45949 Archived-At: Pascal Bourguignon writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>>>> Today I tried vim 7.1,It have native language menu. >>>>> Why emacs only have English menu? >> >> Because nobody has gone through the trouble of adding localization yet. >> As for why, I would guess it's a mix of difficulty (need someone who >> understand enough of Emacs and of localization to deal with it both at the >> C and the Lisp level), together with the fact that it's bound to stay >> partial: >> - many elements are sufficiently dynamic that it's going to be >> difficult to add support to translate them. >> - an important side of Emacs is that it exposes a lot of its internals: many >> important commands are reached via M-x where the term you enter is the >> name of a function (i.e. not quite a string), and all the online help >> refers to those things as well. >> >> Still, it's quite doable. The only difficulty is to have the courage to >> start with something small and convince other people that it's worthwhile to >> go down that road. > > That's the problem. I don't think localization is a good thing at > all. I find that very difficult to agree with. > > Of course, as anybody I'd prefer to use software that speaks to me in > a language I understand, but if the language of the author of the > software is in the list of languages I understand, I prefer to use > that software in the author's language, because it will be clearer and > much less risky. Also, when software is translated (you can take Not if you don't speak that language .....