From: Christoph Wedler <christoph.wedler@sap.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup]
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 18:50:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6hrob2sniqk.fsf@sap.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.13229.1391098001.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> I think that the problem of an abundance of options should be handled
> otherwise, by better organizing/categorizing (and better design) of
> options, and by better discovery/exploration/navigation tools.
And the "better organizing/categorizing (and better design) of options"
is IMHO a lot of work. And things become more complex for the design of
a good UI for "user-centric" options if one has to be aware that the
casual user might also change "advanced" user options.
Let me come back to cc-styles.el. IMHO, a good customization UI would
offer the user to choose a preferred style and a clever possibility to
define their own style (see below).
If users could also "UI-customize" c-hanging-braces-alist directly, the
question arises whether this has preference to the corresponding setting
of the style, what happens if the style / file changes, ...
Now to the customization of a c indentation style:
- when customizing the indentation style, the user is presented with a
C++ code snippet which gives direct visual feedback of the chosen
style
- to define a style, the user simply changes the indentation of the c++
code snippet. Additionally, they can provide some c++ source files
to adopt the indention engine
This sounds complex enough, and I would not want to think of what should
happen if the user also changes some advanced indentation options.
>> >> (cus-set 'indent-tabs-mode t)
>> >> (cus-set 'indent-tabs-mode nil :mode prog-mode)
>>
>> show me the easy code for setting indent-tabs-mode to t in
>> general and to nil in all programming modes.
>
> I'm probably missing your point, but doesn't something like
> this do that?
>
> (setq-default indent-tabs-mode t)
> (add-hook 'prog-mode-hook
> (lambda () (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)))
Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. I meant the customization to be robust,
as Stefan pointed out:
- one can easily remove this setting
- it works well together with custom themes...
> Personally, it took me a long time to start using Customize.
> I did everything I needed only in Lisp. Now I use both.
> I am glad to let Customize handle the stuff it is good at.
Yeah. That was on of the reason why it took me so long to switch from
XEmacs to Emacs. I wanted to get rid of most customizations (otherwise
I would "shadow" too much of the new good stuff). And I wanted to do
the customization via custom - actually via hand-written custom-theme
functions.
That being said: I really like Emacs-24.3! I regret not having switched
earlier - most things are really much better.
(Exceptions: mainly dired (+dired-x), and I understand Emacs' policy
towards cl even less than I did before...)
Regards
Christoph
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2014-01-09 21:02 ` Trying to right-align my window on startup Drew Adams
2014-01-11 14:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2014-01-11 17:35 ` poor Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Drew Adams
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2014-01-13 15:11 ` jack-mac
2014-01-13 17:06 ` Drew Adams
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2014-01-14 9:24 ` Trying to right-align my window on startup Rusi
2014-01-14 17:37 ` In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Drew Adams
2014-01-14 19:32 ` session.* files (was: In defense of Customize) gottlieb
2014-01-14 19:52 ` Peter Dyballa
2014-01-15 10:29 ` In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Phillip Lord
2014-01-15 17:28 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-16 10:06 ` Phillip Lord
2014-01-16 15:33 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14 17:53 ` Trying to right-align my window on startup Emanuel Berg
2014-01-14 17:57 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2014-01-14 18:15 ` Rusi
2014-01-14 18:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-15 4:44 ` Rusi
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2014-01-18 2:59 ` In defense of Customize [was: Trying to right-align my window on startup] Rusi
2014-01-18 4:42 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-18 15:31 ` Rusi
2014-01-28 15:17 ` Christoph Wedler
2014-01-28 18:35 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-29 10:57 ` Phillip Lord
2014-01-29 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-29 16:54 ` Phillip Lord
2014-01-29 18:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-30 9:59 ` Phillip Lord
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2014-01-29 16:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-29 17:19 ` Phillip Lord
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2014-01-29 18:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-29 0:47 ` Drew Adams
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2014-01-30 10:14 ` Christoph Wedler
2014-01-30 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-30 16:06 ` Drew Adams
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2014-01-30 16:15 ` Rusi
2014-01-30 18:44 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-31 9:56 ` Phillip Lord
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2014-01-31 12:08 ` Rusi
2014-01-31 20:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-01-31 20:39 ` Emanuel Berg
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2014-01-31 6:54 ` Rusi
2014-01-31 17:50 ` Christoph Wedler [this message]
2014-01-08 20:11 Trying to right-align my window on startup Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-08 21:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2014-01-09 6:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 20:16 ` Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-09 20:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 20:32 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 20:41 ` Marcin Borkowski
2014-01-09 21:04 ` Drew Adams
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2014-01-09 21:43 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-01-09 22:23 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-10 22:31 ` Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-10 23:09 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-11 1:17 ` Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-11 3:07 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-13 23:14 ` Mickey Ferguson
2014-01-14 4:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<83k3e8dhj9.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-01-09 21:02 ` Drew Adams
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