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* Bug: Deep refile doesn't work [7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-561-g6b6330-git @ org-loaddefs.el can not be found!)]
@ 2012-11-02  9:36 Ole Myren Rohne
  2012-11-02 18:36 ` Thomas S. Dye
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Ole Myren Rohne @ 2012-11-02  9:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi,

I expect to be able to C-c C-w, select some node a few levels down inside another file, and my node should land there. Instead I get the message "Please save the buffer to a file before refiling", and the target file is not updated.

I've configured at least two refile-variables that might be relevant,
   org-refile-targets
   org-refile-use-outline-path
see below for details.

Many thanks, Ole

Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.36)
of 2012-08-27 on bob.porkrind.org
Package: Org-mode version 7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-561-g6b6330-git @ org-loaddefs.el can not be found!)

current state:
==============
(setq
org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook '(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe
		      org-src-native-tab-command-maybe
		      org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe
		      org-babel-header-arg-expand)
org-goto-interface 'outline-path-completion
org-speed-command-hook '(org-speed-command-default-hook
			  org-babel-speed-command-hook)
org-agenda-cleanup-fancy-diary-hook '((lambda nil (goto-char (point-min))
					(save-excursion
					 (while
					  (re-search-forward "^[a-z]" nil t)
					  (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
					  (insert "0:00-24:00 "))
					 )
					(while
					 (re-search-forward "^ [a-z]" nil t)
					 (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
					 (save-excursion
					  (re-search-backward
					   "^[0-9]+:[0-9]+-[0-9]+:[0-9]+ " nil
					   t)
					  )
					 (insert (match-string 0)))
					)
				       )
org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
org-clock-into-drawer "LOGBOOK"
org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook '(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
org-goto-max-level 3
org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header org-beamer-fix-toc
			       org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
			       org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook '(org-beamer-after-initial-vars)
org-agenda-custom-commands '(("I" "Import diary from iCal" agenda ""
			       ((org-agenda-mode-hook
				 (lambda nil (org-mac-iCal)))
				)
			       )
			      ("n" "Agenda and all TODO's"
			       ((agenda "") (alltodo)))
			      )
org-default-notes-file "~/Documents/Projects/notes.org"
org-capture-templates '(("t" "Task" entry (file+headline "" "Tasks")
			  "* TODO %?\n  :LOGBOOK:\n  - Started on %U\n  :END:\n  %a")
			 ("j" "Journal" entry
			  (file+datetree "~/Documents/Projects/journal.org")
			  "* %?\n  %u\n  %i\n  %a")
			 )
org-agenda-include-diary t
org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
org-from-is-user-regexp "\\<Ole Myren Rohne\\>"
org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
		     org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
org-babel-pre-tangle-hook '(save-buffer)
org-mode-hook '((lambda nil
		  (org-add-hook (quote change-major-mode-hook)
		   (quote org-show-block-all) (quote append) (quote local))
		  )
		 (lambda nil
		  (org-add-hook (quote change-major-mode-hook)
		   (quote org-babel-show-result-all) (quote append)
		   (quote local))
		  )
		 org-babel-result-hide-spec org-babel-hide-all-hashes
		 turn-on-font-lock turn-on-flyspell)
org-export-allow-BIND t
org-refile-targets '((org-agenda-files :level . 2) (nil :maxlevel . 3))
org-agenda-todo-list-sublevels nil
org-use-speed-commands t
org-export-latex-default-packages-alist '(("T1" "fontenc" t)
					   ("" "fixltx2e" nil)
					   ("" "graphicx" t)
					   ("" "longtable" nil)
					   ("" "float" nil) ("" "wrapfig" nil)
					   ("" "soul" t) ("" "textcomp" t)
					   ("" "marvosym" t) ("" "wasysym" t)
					   ("" "latexsym" t) ("" "amssymb" t)
					   ("" "hyperref" nil)
					   "\\tolerance=1000")
org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook '(org-babel-hash-at-point
			  org-babel-execute-safely-maybe)
org-refile-use-outline-path 'file
org-directory "~/Documents/Projects/"
org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide-drawers
		  org-cycle-hide-inline-tasks org-cycle-show-empty-lines
		  org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc-default
org-log-refile 'time
org-mobile-encryption-tempfile "~/Dropbox/Projects/orgtmpcrypt"
org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
org-export-latex-image-default-option "width=.99\\linewidth"
org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-bibtex-preprocess)
org-refile-allow-creating-parent-nodes 'confirm
org-todo-keywords '((sequence "TODO(t!/!)" "NEXT(n!/!)" "STARTED(s!/!)" "|"
		      "DONE(d!/!)")
		     (sequence "WAITING(w@/!)" "SOMEDAY(S!)" "|"
		      "CANCELLED(c@/!)" "PHONE")
		     (sequence "OPEN(O!)" "|" "CLOSED(C!)"))
org-mac-grab-Skim-app-p t
org-timer-default-timer 25
org-beamer-environments-extra '(("tikzpicture" "p" "\\begin{tikzpicture}"
				  "\\end{tikzpicture}")
				 )
org-babel-tangle-lang-exts '(("lisp" . "lisp") ("maxima" . "mac")
			      ("emacs-lisp" . "el"))
org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
org-log-into-drawer t
org-export-preprocess-after-include-files-hook '(org-beamer-set-text-properties)
org-mobile-directory "~/Dropbox/Projects/"
org-babel-load-languages '((emacs-lisp . t) (sh . t) (maxima . t)
			    (gnuplot . t))
org-clock-in-hook '((lambda nil (org-timer-set-timer)))
org-agenda-files '("~/Documents/Projects/")
org-clock-out-hook '(org-clock-remove-empty-clock-drawer)
org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil
org-mobile-inbox-for-pull "~/Dropbox/Projects/from-mobile.org"
)

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* Re: Bug: Deep refile doesn't work [7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-561-g6b6330-git @ org-loaddefs.el can not be found!)]
  2012-11-02  9:36 Bug: Deep refile doesn't work [7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-561-g6b6330-git @ org-loaddefs.el can not be found!)] Ole Myren Rohne
@ 2012-11-02 18:36 ` Thomas S. Dye
  2012-11-02 18:41   ` Ole Rohne
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread
From: Thomas S. Dye @ 2012-11-02 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ole Myren Rohne; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Aloha Ole,

Something is wrong with your setup.  See the message about
org-loaddefs.el not being found.

I don't pretend to understand the Org build system, but using Org from
git on my Mac I had to modify local.mk to ensure that the old emacs that
ships with the Mac wasn't found when Org was building.

I mention this because one of the symptoms of my incorrect build was the
message that you are getting.  I haven't seen it since I pointed the
build to my emacs 24.2 installation.

hth,
Tom

Ole Myren Rohne <o.m.rohne@fys.uio.no> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I expect to be able to C-c C-w, select some node a few levels down inside another file, and my node should land there. Instead I get the message "Please save the buffer to a file before refiling", and the target file is not updated.
>
> I've configured at least two refile-variables that might be relevant,
>    org-refile-targets
>    org-refile-use-outline-path
> see below for details.
>
> Many thanks, Ole
>
> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.36)
> of 2012-08-27 on bob.porkrind.org
> Package: Org-mode version 7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-561-g6b6330-git @ org-loaddefs.el can not be found!)
>
> current state:
> ==============
> (setq
> org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook '(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
> org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe
> 		      org-src-native-tab-command-maybe
> 		      org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe
> 		      org-babel-header-arg-expand)
> org-goto-interface 'outline-path-completion
> org-speed-command-hook '(org-speed-command-default-hook
> 			  org-babel-speed-command-hook)
> org-agenda-cleanup-fancy-diary-hook '((lambda nil (goto-char (point-min))
> 					(save-excursion
> 					 (while
> 					  (re-search-forward "^[a-z]" nil t)
> 					  (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
> 					  (insert "0:00-24:00 "))
> 					 )
> 					(while
> 					 (re-search-forward "^ [a-z]" nil t)
> 					 (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
> 					 (save-excursion
> 					  (re-search-backward
> 					   "^[0-9]+:[0-9]+-[0-9]+:[0-9]+ " nil
> 					   t)
> 					  )
> 					 (insert (match-string 0)))
> 					)
> 				       )
> org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
> org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
> org-clock-into-drawer "LOGBOOK"
> org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook '(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
> org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
> org-goto-max-level 3
> org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header org-beamer-fix-toc
> 			       org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
> 			       org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
> org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook '(org-beamer-after-initial-vars)
> org-agenda-custom-commands '(("I" "Import diary from iCal" agenda ""
> 			       ((org-agenda-mode-hook
> 				 (lambda nil (org-mac-iCal)))
> 				)
> 			       )
> 			      ("n" "Agenda and all TODO's"
> 			       ((agenda "") (alltodo)))
> 			      )
> org-default-notes-file "~/Documents/Projects/notes.org"
> org-capture-templates '(("t" "Task" entry (file+headline "" "Tasks")
> 			  "* TODO %?\n  :LOGBOOK:\n  - Started on %U\n  :END:\n  %a")
> 			 ("j" "Journal" entry
> 			  (file+datetree "~/Documents/Projects/journal.org")
> 			  "* %?\n  %u\n  %i\n  %a")
> 			 )
> org-agenda-include-diary t
> org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
> org-from-is-user-regexp "\\<Ole Myren Rohne\\>"
> org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
> 		     org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
> org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
> org-babel-pre-tangle-hook '(save-buffer)
> org-mode-hook '((lambda nil
> 		  (org-add-hook (quote change-major-mode-hook)
> 		   (quote org-show-block-all) (quote append) (quote local))
> 		  )
> 		 (lambda nil
> 		  (org-add-hook (quote change-major-mode-hook)
> 		   (quote org-babel-show-result-all) (quote append)
> 		   (quote local))
> 		  )
> 		 org-babel-result-hide-spec org-babel-hide-all-hashes
> 		 turn-on-font-lock turn-on-flyspell)
> org-export-allow-BIND t
> org-refile-targets '((org-agenda-files :level . 2) (nil :maxlevel . 3))
> org-agenda-todo-list-sublevels nil
> org-use-speed-commands t
> org-export-latex-default-packages-alist '(("T1" "fontenc" t)
> 					   ("" "fixltx2e" nil)
> 					   ("" "graphicx" t)
> 					   ("" "longtable" nil)
> 					   ("" "float" nil) ("" "wrapfig" nil)
> 					   ("" "soul" t) ("" "textcomp" t)
> 					   ("" "marvosym" t) ("" "wasysym" t)
> 					   ("" "latexsym" t) ("" "amssymb" t)
> 					   ("" "hyperref" nil)
> 					   "\\tolerance=1000")
> org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook '(org-babel-hash-at-point
> 			  org-babel-execute-safely-maybe)
> org-refile-use-outline-path 'file
> org-directory "~/Documents/Projects/"
> org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide-drawers
> 		  org-cycle-hide-inline-tasks org-cycle-show-empty-lines
> 		  org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
> org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc-default
> org-log-refile 'time
> org-mobile-encryption-tempfile "~/Dropbox/Projects/orgtmpcrypt"
> org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
> org-export-latex-image-default-option "width=.99\\linewidth"
> org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-bibtex-preprocess)
> org-refile-allow-creating-parent-nodes 'confirm
> org-todo-keywords '((sequence "TODO(t!/!)" "NEXT(n!/!)" "STARTED(s!/!)" "|"
> 		      "DONE(d!/!)")
> 		     (sequence "WAITING(w@/!)" "SOMEDAY(S!)" "|"
> 		      "CANCELLED(c@/!)" "PHONE")
> 		     (sequence "OPEN(O!)" "|" "CLOSED(C!)"))
> org-mac-grab-Skim-app-p t
> org-timer-default-timer 25
> org-beamer-environments-extra '(("tikzpicture" "p" "\\begin{tikzpicture}"
> 				  "\\end{tikzpicture}")
> 				 )
> org-babel-tangle-lang-exts '(("lisp" . "lisp") ("maxima" . "mac")
> 			      ("emacs-lisp" . "el"))
> org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
> org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
> org-log-into-drawer t
> org-export-preprocess-after-include-files-hook '(org-beamer-set-text-properties)
> org-mobile-directory "~/Dropbox/Projects/"
> org-babel-load-languages '((emacs-lisp . t) (sh . t) (maxima . t)
> 			    (gnuplot . t))
> org-clock-in-hook '((lambda nil (org-timer-set-timer)))
> org-agenda-files '("~/Documents/Projects/")
> org-clock-out-hook '(org-clock-remove-empty-clock-drawer)
> org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil
> org-mobile-inbox-for-pull "~/Dropbox/Projects/from-mobile.org"
> )
>
>
>

-- 
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com

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* Re: Bug: Deep refile doesn't work [7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-561-g6b6330-git @ org-loaddefs.el can not be found!)]
  2012-11-02 18:36 ` Thomas S. Dye
@ 2012-11-02 18:41   ` Ole Rohne
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Ole Rohne @ 2012-11-02 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Thomas S. Dye, o.m.rohne@fys.uio.no; +Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org

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Hi Thomas,
Thanks for the tip!
I though I had fixed local.mk to use Emacs.app, but I'll check again. I do think the  error shows up also with non-compiled .el files...
Ole

"Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com> wrote:
Aloha Ole,

Something is wrong with your setup.  See the message about
org-loaddefs.el not being found.

I don't pretend to understand the Org build system, but using Org from
git on my Mac I had to modify local.mk to ensure that the old emacs that
ships with the Mac wasn't found when Org was building.

I mention this because one of the symptoms of my incorrect build was the
message that you are getting.  I haven't seen it since I pointed the
build to my emacs 24.2 installation.

hth,
Tom

Ole Myren Rohne <o.m.rohne@fys.uio.no> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I expect to be able to C-c C-w, select some node a few levels down inside another file, and my node should land there. Instead I get the message "Please save the buffer to a file before refiling", and the target file is not updated.
>
> I've configured at least two refile-variables that might be relevant,
>    org-refile-targets
>    org-refile-use-outline-path
> see below for details.
>
> Many thanks, Ole
>
> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.36)
> of 2012-08-27 on bob.porkrind.org
> Package: Org-mode version 7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-561-g6b6330-git @ org-loaddefs.el can not be found!)
>
> current state:
> ==============
> (setq
> org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook '(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
> org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe
>                      org-src-native-tab-command-maybe
>                      org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe
>                      org-babel-header-arg-expand)
> org-goto-interface 'outline-path-completion
> org-speed-command-hook '(org-speed-command-default-hook
>                          org-babel-speed-command-hook)
> org-agenda-cleanup-fancy-diary-hook '((lambda nil (goto-char (point-min))
>                                        (save-excursion
>                                         (while
>                                          (re-search-forward "^[a-z]" nil t)
>                                          (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
>                                          (insert "0:00-24:00 "))
>                                         )
>                                        (while
>                                         (re-search-forward "^ [a-z]" nil t)
>                                         (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
>                                         (save-excursion
>                                          (re-search-backward
>                                           "^[0-9]+:[0-9]+-[0-9]+:[0-9]+ " nil
>                                           t)
>                                          )
>                                         (insert (match-string 0)))
>                                        )
>                                       )
> org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
> org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
> org-clock-into-drawer "LOGBOOK"
> org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook '(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
> org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
> org-goto-max-level 3
> org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header org-beamer-fix-toc
>                               org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
>                               org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
> org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook '(org-beamer-after-initial-vars)
> org-agenda-custom-commands '(("I" "Import diary from iCal" agenda ""
>                               ((org-agenda-mode-hook
>                                 (lambda nil (org-mac-iCal)))
>                                )
>                               )
>                              ("n" "Agenda and all TODO's"
>                               ((agenda "") (alltodo)))
>                              )
> org-default-notes-file "~/Documents/Projects/notes.org"
> org-capture-templates '(("t" "Task" entry (file+headline "" "Tasks")
>                          "* TODO %?\n  :LOGBOOK:\n  - Started on %U\n  :END:\n  %a")
>                         ("j" "Journal" entry
>                          (file+datetree "~/Documents/Projects/journal.org")
>                          "* %?\n  %u\n  %i\n  %a")
>                         )
> org-agenda-include-diary t
> org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
> org-from-is-user-regexp "\\<Ole Myren Rohne\\>"
> org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
>                     org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
> org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
> org-babel-pre-tangle-hook '(save-buffer)
> org-mode-hook '((lambda nil
>                  (org-add-hook (quote change-major-mode-hook)
>                   (quote org-show-block-all) (quote append) (quote local))
>                  )
>                 (lambda nil
>                  (org-add-hook (quote change-major-mode-hook)
>                   (quote org-babel-show-result-all) (quote append)
>                   (quote local))
>                  )
>                 org-babel-result-hide-spec org-babel-hide-all-hashes
>                 turn-on-font-lock turn-on-flyspell)
> org-export-allow-BIND t
> org-refile-targets '((org-agenda-files :level . 2) (nil :maxlevel . 3))
> org-agenda-todo-list-sublevels nil
> org-use-speed-commands t
> org-export-latex-default-packages-alist '(("T1" "fontenc" t)
>                                           ("" "fixltx2e" nil)
>                                           ("" "graphicx" t)
>                                           ("" "longtable" nil)
>                                           ("" "float" nil) ("" "wrapfig" nil)
>                                           ("" "soul" t) ("" "textcomp" t)
>                                           ("" "marvosym" t) ("" "wasysym" t)
>                                           ("" "latexsym" t) ("" "amssymb" t)
>                                           ("" "hyperref" nil)
>                                           "\\tolerance=1000<file://\\tolerance=1000>")
> org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook '(org-babel-hash-at-point
>                          org-babel-execute-safely-maybe)
> org-refile-use-outline-path 'file
> org-directory "~/Documents/Projects/"
> org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide-drawers
>                  org-cycle-hide-inline-tasks org-cycle-show-empty-lines
>                  org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
> org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc-default
> org-log-refile 'time
> org-mobile-encryption-tempfile "~/Dropbox/Projects/orgtmpcrypt"
> org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
> org-export-latex-image-default-option "width=.99\\linewidth"
> org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-bibtex-preprocess)
> org-refile-allow-creating-parent-nodes 'confirm
> org-todo-keywords '((sequence "TODO(t!/!)" "NEXT(n!/!)" "STARTED(s!/!)" "|"
>                      "DONE(d!/!)")
>                     (sequence "WAITING(w@/!)" "SOMEDAY(S!)" "|"
>                      "CANCELLED(c@/!)" "PHONE")
>                     (sequence "OPEN(O!)" "|" "CLOSED(C!)"))
> org-mac-grab-Skim-app-p t
> org-timer-default-timer 25
> org-beamer-environments-extra '(("tikzpicture" "p" "\\begin{tikzpicture}<file://\\begin{tikzpicture}>"
>                                  "\\end{tikzpicture}<file://\\end{tikzpicture}>")
>                                 )
> org-babel-tangle-lang-exts '(("lisp" . "lisp") ("maxima" . "mac")
>                              ("emacs-lisp" . "el"))
> org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
> org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
> org-log-into-drawer t
> org-export-preprocess-after-include-files-hook '(org-beamer-set-text-properties)
> org-mobile-directory "~/Dropbox/Projects/"
> org-babel-load-languages '((emacs-lisp . t) (sh . t) (maxima . t)
>                            (gnuplot . t))
> org-clock-in-hook '((lambda nil (org-timer-set-timer)))
> org-agenda-files '("~/Documents/Projects/")
> org-clock-out-hook '(org-clock-remove-empty-clock-drawer)
> org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil
> org-mobile-inbox-for-pull "~/Dropbox/Projects/from-mobile.org"
> )
>
>
>

--
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com

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