* How can I discover group name?
@ 2016-09-26 11:45 Oleksandr Gavenko
2016-09-26 14:42 ` Drew Adams
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From: Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2016-09-26 11:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
Within "M-x customize" I found "Text" group.
I'd like to add my group to this group. Unfortunately this was failed:
(defgroup xxx nil
"xxx-mode customization."
:group 'text)
Searching around gave working piece:
(defgroup xxx nil
"xxx-mode customization."
:group 'wp)
How can I guess "wp" name from customize buffer content?
Is that from somewhat historical reasons?
--
http://defun.work/
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* RE: How can I discover group name?
2016-09-26 11:45 How can I discover group name? Oleksandr Gavenko
@ 2016-09-26 14:42 ` Drew Adams
2016-09-26 18:32 ` Oleksandr Gavenko
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2016-09-26 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Oleksandr Gavenko, help-gnu-emacs
> Within "M-x customize" I found "Text" group.
I don't see that group, with `emacs -Q'. Perhaps it comes from
some library that you are using?
What does `M-x customize-group RET TAB' tell you?
That's how to discover group names.
> I'd like to add my group to this group. Unfortunately this was failed:
> (defgroup xxx nil
> "xxx-mode customization."
> :group 'text)
^^^^ 'Text, not 'text, if "Text" is the group name.
> Searching around gave working piece:
> (defgroup xxx nil
> "xxx-mode customization."
> :group 'wp)
>
> How can I guess "wp" name from customize buffer content?
What is the relation between this and group "Text"?
What do you see in the Customize buffer?
> Is that from somewhat historical reasons?
Is what from somewhat historical reasons?
The question is unclear.
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* Re: How can I discover group name?
2016-09-26 14:42 ` Drew Adams
@ 2016-09-26 18:32 ` Oleksandr Gavenko
2016-09-26 20:53 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Oleksandr Gavenko @ 2016-09-26 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
On 2016-09-26, Drew Adams wrote:
>> Within "M-x customize" I found "Text" group.
>
> I don't see that group, with `emacs -Q'. Perhaps it comes from
> some library that you are using?
>
> What does `M-x customize-group RET TAB' tell you?
> That's how to discover group names.
>
M-x customize RET
Emacs group: Customization of the One True Editor.
State : visible group members are all at standard values.
See also Manual.
Editing Basic text editing facilities.
Convenience Convenience features for faster editing.
Files Support for editing files.
**Text** Support for editing text files.
...
Under "Text" group (if press RET on **Text**):
Text group: Support for editing text files.
State : visible group members are all at standard values.
Show Value Text Mode Hook
Hook run after entering Text mode. More
Subgroups:
Bib Major mode for editing bib files.
Columns Prettify columns.
Lpr Print Emacs buffer on line printer.
Nroff Nroff mode.
Outlines Support for hierarchical outlining.
Picture Editing text-based pictures ("ASCII art").
...
Rst Support for reStructuredText documents.
Table Text based table manipulation utilities.
Tex Code related to the TeX formatter.
Tildify Add hard spaces or other text fragments to text buffers.
View Peruse file or buffer without editing.
Within 'M-x customize-group RET TAB' I didn't see either "text" nor "Text".
>> I'd like to add my group to this group. Unfortunately this was failed:
>> (defgroup xxx nil
>> "xxx-mode customization."
>> :group 'text)
> ^^^^ 'Text, not 'text, if "Text" is the group name.
>
>> Searching around gave working piece:
>> (defgroup xxx nil
>> "xxx-mode customization."
>> :group 'wp)
>>
>> How can I guess "wp" name from customize buffer content?
>
> What is the relation between this and group "Text"?
> What do you see in the Customize buffer?
Screens shown above. After executing:
>> (defgroup xxx nil
>> "xxx-mode customization."
>> :group 'wp)
I see my group under Text group:
Text group: Support for editing text files.
State : visible group members are all at standard values.
Show Value Text Mode Hook
Hook run after entering Text mode. More
Subgroups:
Bib Major mode for editing bib files.
View Peruse file or buffer without editing.
...
Xxx xxx-mode customization.
================================================================
My question is why does "Text" group require symbol 'wp' in "(defgroup ...)"
call and how can I guess this symbol during navigation across *Customize*
buffers?
I discover proper name only after:
$ ack -C 5 '(defgroup' $EMACS_SRC/lisp
textmodes/rst.el
283-
284-(defgroup rst nil "Support for reStructuredText documents."
285: :group 'wp
286- :version "23.1"
287- :link '(url-link "http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html"))
--
http://defun.work/
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* RE: How can I discover group name?
2016-09-26 18:32 ` Oleksandr Gavenko
@ 2016-09-26 20:53 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2016-09-26 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Oleksandr Gavenko, help-gnu-emacs
> >> Within "M-x customize" I found "Text" group.
> >
> > I don't see that group, with `emacs -Q'. Perhaps it comes from
> > some library that you are using?
> >
> > What does `M-x customize-group RET TAB' tell you?
> > That's how to discover group names.
>
> M-x customize RET
>
> Emacs group: Customization of the One True Editor.
> State : visible group members are all at standard values.
> See also Manual.
>
> Editing Basic text editing facilities.
> Convenience Convenience features for faster editing.
> Files Support for editing files.
> **Text** Support for editing text files.
> ...
Oops. Looks to me like a bug (#24549) that `M-x customize-group'
does not recognize custom group `text'.
> Under "Text" group (if press RET on **Text**):
>
> Text group: Support for editing text files.
> State : visible group members are all at standard values.
>
> Show Value Text Mode Hook
> Hook run after entering Text mode. More
>
> Subgroups:
> Bib Major mode for editing bib files.
> Columns Prettify columns.
> Lpr Print Emacs buffer on line printer.
> Nroff Nroff mode.
> Outlines Support for hierarchical outlining.
> Picture Editing text-based pictures ("ASCII art").
> ...
> Rst Support for reStructuredText documents.
> Table Text based table manipulation utilities.
> Tex Code related to the TeX formatter.
> Tildify Add hard spaces or other text fragments to text
> buffers.
> View Peruse file or buffer without editing.
>
> Within 'M-x customize-group RET TAB' I didn't see either "text" nor
> "Text".
Me neither. I just filed bug #24549 for this.
> >> I'd like to add my group to this group. Unfortunately this was failed:
> >> (defgroup xxx nil
> >> "xxx-mode customization."
> >> :group 'text)
> > ^^^^ 'Text, not 'text, if "Text" is the group name.
> >
> >> Searching around gave working piece:
> >> (defgroup xxx nil
> >> "xxx-mode customization."
> >> :group 'wp)
> >>
> >> How can I guess "wp" name from customize buffer content?
> >
> > What is the relation between this and group "Text"?
> > What do you see in the Customize buffer?
>
> Screens shown above. After executing:
>
> >> (defgroup xxx nil
> >> "xxx-mode customization."
> >> :group 'wp)
>
> I see my group under Text group:
>
> Text group: Support for editing text files.
> State : visible group members are all at standard values.
>
> Show Value Text Mode Hook
> Hook run after entering Text mode. More
>
> Subgroups:
> Bib Major mode for editing bib files.
> View Peruse file or buffer without editing.
> ...
> Xxx xxx-mode customization.
>
> ================================================================
>
> My question is why does "Text" group require symbol 'wp' in "(defgroup
> ...)"
> call and how can I guess this symbol during navigation across *Customize*
> buffers?
Good question. I'm getting the impression that `text' is not
a real group but is some other kind of (virtual) grouping of
some other groups.
I do not see it defined in the Lisp sources using `defgroup'.
If it were defined using `defgroup', as usual, then I would
expect that (1) you would be able to inherit from it directly
and (2) it would be recognized by `customize-group'.
> I discover proper name only after:
>
> $ ack -C 5 '(defgroup' $EMACS_SRC/lisp
>
> textmodes/rst.el
> 283-
>
> 284-(defgroup rst nil "Support for reStructuredText documents."
> 285: :group 'wp
> 286- :version "23.1"
> 287- :link '(url-link "http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html"))
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