From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to get rid of *GNU Emacs* buffer on start-up? Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <6ed07f68-4d7d-41ae-8964-bde8645adb28@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com> References: <87ljxoffs6.fsf@atthis.clsnet.nl> <2868c8db-ff02-4d67-9e80-4cf323086ca3@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> <551c1987-57cc-410e-a81a-51ee96f3387d@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <87vdwmwv2a.fsf@jehiel.elehack.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222267302 11535 80.91.229.12 (24 Sep 2008 14:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:41:42 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 24 16:42:40 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KiVZS-00051E-5B for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:42:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52243 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KiVYQ-0001o4-37 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:41:22 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 53 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.185.159 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1222267095 11895 127.0.0.1 (24 Sep 2008 14:38:15 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.6.185.159; posting-account=qPxGtQkAAADb6PWdLGiWVucht1ZDR6fn User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.22, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:162666 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:58009 Archived-At: On Sep 24, 2:28 am, Nikolaj Schumacher wrote: > XahLee wrote: > > Just because you have installed Firefox plugin that > > modifies default behavior, or just because you are one of those > > perhaps less than 0.01% in human animal society who actually uses a > > text-based browser, it does not mean Ctrl+n behaves your modified way > > in general > > You should add the 6-8% of Mac users to that list of exceptions, where > Ctrl+n does behave that way in general. Hum? I don't know what you are saying. After a while coming back to your message, i think i got it. You mean, basically, the Cmd key's function on the mac is roughly equivalent to Windows's Ctrl. So, Ctrl+n doesn't actually crate a new something, it is actually Cmd+n. Ctrl+n on the mac in fact does nothing in most browsers. Is that what you are saying? It's quite silly you know? In case you seriously thought that point is worth mentioning, let me answer about that then. Of the common standaard keyboard shortcut keys for Open (n), Close (w), Save (s), Save As (S), Print (p), Select All (a), Copy (c), Cut (x), Paste (v), Undo (z), on Windows and Linux it's used together with modifier Ctrl. On Mac, it's the Command key. These command and letter pairs are a standard in practice, ever since Microsoft Windows borrowed much of Mac GUI since mid 1990s, and more so post 2000, and ever since Linux becomes somewhat popular as a desktop and KDE/Gnome borrowed wholesale of Windows UI. To say that these commands and keys on the Mac is actually different than on Windows/Linux, is inappropriate in our context. As a analogy, emacs on Windows, Mac, Linuxes, uses different modifier for Meta and have slightly different look, but it is not sufficient to say that emacs in one particular OS is emacs while others are not. Similarly, in our context, when i say Ctrl+n is a standard or familiar with most software users, you can't argue that Mac is a exception just because it uses Cmd instead of Ctrl. Btw, for those who wants to understand the differece of Mac and PC keyboards, and their difference in usage since about 1995 to today, see: Difference Between Apple and PC keyboards http://xahlee.org/emacs/apple_pc_kb_diff.html Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84