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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 24085@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#24085: 25.1.50; `make-frame' given `top' param creates frame with ~10x smaller `top'
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 09:36:33 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e71e0fd-fa33-4e8d-bdb0-b1af73024faf@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <<8337mtsu54.fsf@gnu.org>>

> > I think (hope) you are saying that there is no good argument for
> > not respecting PARAMETERS, but because of the previous, low-level fix,
> > that's unfortunately where we are today.  In that case, let's please
> > try to do better.  If `set-frame-parameter' can in a sense "override"
> > or work around that low-level dictation of frame positioning, then
> > I imagine it should be possible for `make-frame' to do the same.
> 
> The problem is not only technical, it's also a problem of our intent.
> Do we _want_ to let frames have their echo area obscured?

I certainly do.  I have commands that rely on it, including commands
that incrementally move frames around (e.g., holding a key pressed moves
a frame right, left, up, or down, incrementally), and they wrap around
the display or from one monitor to another.

And a frame does not necessarily even have an echo area. None of my
frames do, apart from my standalone minibuffer frame.

Basic Emacs functions should not be DWIM.  A user or code should
definitely be able to position a frame anywhere.  Similarly, we have
the ability to make frames invisible.  Would you take that away, using
as argument that a user cannot see the echo area on such a frame?

> If not, then the fact that set-frame-parameter allows that would be
> a bug that needs to be fixed.

Sheesh.  Maybe I'd better stop filing bug reports, if when I do so it
encourages you to remove some other longstanding Emacs feature I use.





      parent reply	other threads:[~2016-07-28 16:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-07-27  4:49 bug#24085: 25.1.50; `make-frame' given `top' param creates frame with ~10x smaller `top' Drew Adams
2016-07-27  9:19 ` martin rudalics
2016-07-27 13:29   ` Drew Adams
2016-07-27 16:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-28  8:57     ` martin rudalics
2016-07-28 14:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-28 19:07         ` martin rudalics
2016-07-28 16:34       ` Drew Adams
2016-07-28 19:07         ` martin rudalics
2022-04-22 13:22           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-04-22 15:28             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]   ` <<3657859c-03f1-4eca-9a78-a9be0dee6552@default>
     [not found]     ` <<83h9bbrqx5.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-27 16:57       ` Drew Adams
2016-07-27 17:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <<<3657859c-03f1-4eca-9a78-a9be0dee6552@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<83h9bbrqx5.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<06a3fb2a-b975-41cf-8aa3-c2cbe207057f@default>
     [not found]         ` <<838twnrngr.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-27 18:39           ` Drew Adams
2016-07-27 19:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <<<<3657859c-03f1-4eca-9a78-a9be0dee6552@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<<83h9bbrqx5.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<<06a3fb2a-b975-41cf-8aa3-c2cbe207057f@default>
     [not found]         ` <<<838twnrngr.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<325b79e8-c40b-46f7-a89a-11f0888b0a68@default>
     [not found]             ` <<8360rqsy7i.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-27 20:55               ` Drew Adams
2016-07-28  2:12                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-07-28 16:35                   ` Drew Adams
2016-07-28  8:57                 ` martin rudalics
2016-07-28 16:35                   ` Drew Adams
2016-07-28 14:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]   ` <<<<<3657859c-03f1-4eca-9a78-a9be0dee6552@default>
     [not found]     ` <<<<<83h9bbrqx5.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<<<06a3fb2a-b975-41cf-8aa3-c2cbe207057f@default>
     [not found]         ` <<<<838twnrngr.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<<325b79e8-c40b-46f7-a89a-11f0888b0a68@default>
     [not found]             ` <<<8360rqsy7i.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <<6336b8b4-49c0-4ce6-9044-cf558f12c16e@default>
     [not found]                 ` <<8337mtsu54.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-07-28 16:36                   ` Drew Adams [this message]

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