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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249883 Archived-At: On 11.05.2020 22:54, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:58:45 +0300 >> >> On 11.05.2020 21:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>>> We can say the same without having the packages in ELPA, we just need >>>>> to tell them in addition to set up package.el for MELPA. >>>> No, we cannot do that. MELPA contains packages promoting non-free >>>> software and services, so at least Richard would surely veto that. >>> If your problem is mentioning "MELPA" the name, we don't have to do >>> that. How to add any site to the package.el setup is already >>> documented in the Emacs user manual. >> >> If we don't do any of that, we can't create a publish a user-friendly >> guide "How to IDE" on our website. > > I don't think we should give up our standards to gain a couple of > marketing points. It's usability, not just marketing. > It is completely backwards, IMO, to put that cart > ahead of the horse. We are supposed to develop high-quality software > first and advertising ourselves second, not the other way around. We're supposed to make our users' life better.