From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Elena Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:50:58 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <6c6fac7d-ae6d-41c2-bb09-a8de46050a5d@w17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com> References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <0d3b97e2-c21c-4a83-a8dc-1ba186a5a405@m11g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <87k4j2x0n3.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87d3ottiyp.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87pqsssx25.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293098541 20621 80.91.229.12 (23 Dec 2010 10:02:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 10:02:21 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 23 11:02:16 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVhzz-00050u-0u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:02:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44076 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PVhfq-0003Me-QH for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 04:41:26 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!w17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.96.190.244 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1293094259 27590 127.0.0.1 (23 Dec 2010 08:50:59 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: w17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.96.190.244; posting-account=AFCLjAoAAABJAOf_HjgEEEi3ty-lG5m2 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183578 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77821 Archived-At: On Dec 23, 8:38=A0am, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" wrote: > Elena writes: > > On Dec 23, 12:45 am, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" > > wrote: > >> Richard Riley writes: > >> > "Pascal J. Bourguignon" writes: > > >> >> Elena writes: > > >> >>> That's the problem: every Emacs power user seems to be chasing thi= s > >> >>> holy grail of a greatly customized Emacs, but I have yet to see a > >> >>> customized Emacs matching a customized IDE. > > >> >> IDE are not customizable. > > >> > Huh? > > >> > Of course they are. > > >> Close to none, compared to emacs. The main problem is that they either > >> propose a fixed set of options ("preferences"), or if they propose a > >> "programming" language, it's a half-backed proprietary languages, ofte= n > >> not even Turing-complete. > > > False. =A0IDE plugins are developed in Turing-complete languages, thus > > they can do whatever they please. =A0The scripting language embedded in > > most IDEs is just for less-demanding tasks. > > Not to mention that sometimes, the customization part of the IDE, is > sold as a separate products, with separate license tokens, and therefore > you are not necessarily able to use it as routinely as the main, frozen > IDE. This is a different issue. However, that should make us appreciate even more Emacs being free in every sense.