From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 18:34:23 +0000 Message-ID: <6c697805389bac24b8ba@heytings.org> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> <834ka4k15m.fsf@gnu.org> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <871r534s2o.fsf@gmail.com> <87sfxgx09x.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17559"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, acm@muc.de, eliz@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 04 20:38:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXSrY-0004OV-1Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 20:38:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50212 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXSrW-0004Fd-Rh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:38:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55086) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXSnH-0008BJ-VV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:34:32 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:37332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXSnD-0002Is-Dx; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 14:34:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1633372463; bh=LB4Iwcw7/taeK0Xo86FFmQfEsr9z1xK9FwF3mRuge2M=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=CfA0inFvuWisbVnZkbSdebE4qS716YhKqFLFldjFufjR/qcoPKvDMSa3G9ajxGw2z Zi+JEwE9+/oB6Iem+aBcAIGOGGrutG6rllwkT+0iY51TK9eUaw/oerU2Dydsf1Bchn ePe+ylAsq0koPtMZwBJIbPrs7eIhcTHEKqwNZwzSAsSuxkhoB39u9V0ccVC7onzJ4Z +LVIbGojcJQAtUGJx044DIRDe1orthR2amkX4LK3oEumYfxcyS3CDSU1vmjzAkv3gn BV00wYNZpdLmzAiXvE0sGZ7pD1RsaFPd5WOJtFrQXhjq+jZ+UP5X1jMKsZH06ZBwPR 1s8NEdc6cKqUg== In-Reply-To: <87sfxgx09x.fsf@gmail.com> Content-ID: <6c69780538ad0ddee130@heytings.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276242 Archived-At: > > The system is behaving as designed. > And the question is: was it properly designed? > > That's what makes Shorthands a namespacing system (contrary to what some > mistaken minds are keen on insiting): [A] there is more than one way to > refer to the same thing _depending_ on context and [B] the _same name_ > may refer to different tihngs, depending on context. > Interesting. A few days ago you still believed that name spaces are [A], and one of the "mistaken minds" told you that they are not [A], but [B]. Now you believe that they are both [A] and [B]. Perhaps in a week you'll realize that they are [B], not [A].