From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35360: 26.2; Default bindings of `A' and `Q' in Dired, for MS Windows users Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6be7fe2c-a1ff-4334-8251-86761610a4f4@default> References: <2ee4e871-a51a-47fe-bb67-8ff0f12a986b@default> <83wojn89ee.fsf@gnu.org> <87bm0zcg9e.fsf@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="39267"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 35360@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Albinus , Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 21 21:54:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hIIXT-0009zE-9c for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 21 Apr 2019 19:53:09 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2s0f0unhth-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 21 Apr 2019 19:53:08 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0017.oracle.com (abhmp0017.oracle.com [141.146.116.23]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x3LJr58p015746; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 19:53:06 GMT In-Reply-To: <87bm0zcg9e.fsf@gmx.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4834.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9234 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1904210156 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9234 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1904210156 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:157962 Archived-At: > > Patches welcome to use Lisp replacements for 'find' and 'grep' on > > Windows (with a defcustom that will allow to use the external programs > > when they are available). >=20 > Something like ls-lisp? Yes, that would be useful. We shall change the > title of this bug report, or divide it even into two reports, for > find-lisp and grep-lisp. That would be good. But please create separate bug reports for such enhancements. Don't just retitle this thread and change its meaning. This bug thread is about the binding of commands that cannot possibly work out of the box for MS Windows users, where by out-of-the-box I mean without knowing that they need to install some additional software and then installing that. And this thread is about the broken repurposing of bindings that previously worked for such users - and whose previous commands still work for them (and for everyone else). However you look at it, until/unless the enhancement requests that Michael suggests are available this bug needs fixing. MS Windows users have lost something, out of the box, at least. As the first line of this thread says, "Shouldn't the default bindings of `A' and `Q' DTRT on MS Windows out of the box?" That's what this bug is about. How the bug gets fixed is another matter. If we won't restore `A' and `Q' to what they were before for everyone (and Eli says we won't) then can we not do something else to restore/replace what we broke for Windows users by changing their bindings to commands that they can use? That is, not change `A' and `Q' back for everyone, but do so for those that need a workaround. As I said at the outset, "Can't Emacs either bind these keys to what they were bound to previously [for Windows users] or test first whether the requisite OS commands are available before binding these keys to Emacs commands that won't be usable for many Windows users?" IOW, if we insist on binding `A' and `Q' generally to commands that cannot be used by such users then can we not at least fall back - for them - to commands that do work? Why make users themselves discover the gotcha individually and work around it?