From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniele Nicolodi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lightweight, C-only implementation of Emacs Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 16:31:11 -0600 Message-ID: <6b76f688-0cd7-fd17-e980-b5945b42a21b@grinta.net> References: <87tuxj4ct5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30162"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0 To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 04 00:32:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k2izw-0007jW-QF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2020 00:32:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48078 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2izv-0000Mk-SH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2020 18:31:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34968) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2izJ-0008M1-4B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2020 18:31:21 -0400 Original-Received: from grinta.net ([109.74.203.128]:36606) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2izG-0001T0-Lw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2020 18:31:20 -0400 Original-Received: from black.local (c-73-229-170-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net [73.229.170.236]) (Authenticated sender: daniele) by grinta.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67D65E0DBE for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 22:31:14 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=grinta.net; s=2020; t=1596493874; bh=YtFSn+3yNcf4D0BRKJP4AWh4FCORftnBQ5kJMcI5+/A=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=C3cDhiMZOxmTZIgtAqLLqOBAs/N7NmjUrF0Fw3wZupqBZEGjo390hKMEJ6zsI7hS+ OH9NTEGEReeEmJH0KEWsH/qcLToW0dnWfYPfG9meRapfgYoYBmRhvEB12jrIrNuLMN L9Yy4IVlnj9kuCSXM99NXFdGA6u1v7uXFE5/JxnB0Fsdc5jZnim8PhN44DYG+YpYBz x/f3CtX9pooJGVo44N/C000zhTc0ts9lxIhDtS7JDiI2SPpUheZqDhhdrnwxsWHFXq m2eedRfnTLCavF4qT5ppst48xNkWbIU5Ry+dmbSOI0mQAfifVhzP+ZK93skzOyDL/x /7yGKfC2Pj/ZQ== In-Reply-To: <87tuxj4ct5.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=109.74.203.128; envelope-from=daniele@grinta.net; helo=grinta.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/03 18:31:15 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253423 Archived-At: On 03/08/2020 15:52, Amin Bandali wrote: > Jeffrey Walton writes: > >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 3:56 PM Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 03 Aug 2020, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >>> >>>>> Well, it is feature complete then. >>>>> >>>>> The same is true for most of the lightweight implementations in the >>>>> list. Why would that be a problem? >>> >>>> "I do not recommend it use." >>> >>> *shrug* It compiles and works, and upstream appears to be responsive. >>> No good reason for dropping it from a distro (and breaking existing >>> users' workflows). >> >> *shrug* The author told you not to use it. What don't you understand >> about the statement? > > That's not how free software works. The author is of course free to > make recommendations about their software, and the community is free to > decide to whether take the author up on that recommendation or not. "I do not recommend its use" from an author abut the free software they wrote has many possible meanings. Among those: "use it but please don't bother me if it breaks and eats your data", "I know it has (serious) flaws that I don't want even think about", "I am very tired of supporting this piece of software, but I continue doing so for spirit of service toward those (hopefully few) that still depend on it. Please stop using it so I can enjoy doing something else". Of course no one can forbid you to use the software the author himself deprecated, but I think it would be nice to the author to follow their recommendation and look for alternatives, or pick up or share the burden of maintaining it. I don't know if any of this applies to Zile, but maybe inquiring, preferably in private, with the author and maintainer would be a good idea before putting it in a list of suggested software (I admit I haven't looked at the list debated here, thus I don't know if this applies). Cheers, Dan