* bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License'
@ 2020-10-25 14:41 Drew Adams
2020-10-25 18:53 ` Stefan Kangas
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From: Drew Adams @ 2020-10-25 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 44211
Dunno whether this is actually a bug, but it seems odd.
In this node you find this text:
Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled ``GNU
Free Documentation License''.
Should the `` and '' perhaps be rendered differently - perhaps as curly
double quotes?
In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32)
of 2019-08-29
Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362
Configured using:
`configure --without-dbus --host=x86_64-w64-mingw32
--without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=-O2 -static -g3''
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* bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License'
2020-10-25 14:41 Drew Adams
@ 2020-10-25 18:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-25 19:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2020-10-25 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams, 44211
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> Dunno whether this is actually a bug, but it seems odd.
>
> In this node you find this text:
>
> Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled ``GNU
> Free Documentation License''.
>
> Should the `` and '' perhaps be rendered differently - perhaps as curly
> double quotes?
Agreed, they should probably be marked as the other instances of ``text
quoted like this''.
But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps?
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* bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License'
2020-10-25 18:53 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2020-10-25 19:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-12 1:07 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2020-10-25 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 44211
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 11:53:02 -0700
>
> But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps?
It is not a bug. That's what @example does.
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* bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License'
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@ 2020-10-25 20:11 ` Drew Adams
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From: Drew Adams @ 2020-10-25 20:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii, Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 44211
> > But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps?
>
> It is not a bug. That's what @example does.
OK, not a bug. Does that mean that this is what
we want users to see, as the final rendering of
this particular text? If so, I wonder what the
reason for that is.
Here's an occurrence of ``...'' that I think is
understandable, in (emacs) `Inserting Text':
In addition, in some contexts, if you type a quotation using grave
accent and apostrophe '`like this'', it is converted to a form 'like
this' using single quotation marks, even without 'C-x 8' commands.
Similarly, typing a quotation '``like this''' using double grave accent
and apostrophe converts it to a form "like this" using double quotation
marks. *Note Quotation Marks::.
And this one, in (emacs) `Org Authoring':
#+begin_quote
``This is a quote.''
#+end_quote
And this, in (emacs) `TeX Editing':
In TeX, the character '"' is not normally used; instead, quotations
begin with '``' and end with ''''. TeX mode therefore binds the '"' key
to the 'tex-insert-quote' command. This inserts '``' after whitespace
or an open brace, '"' after a backslash, and '''' after any other
character.
As a special exception, if you type '"' when the text before point is
either '``' or '''', Emacs replaces that preceding text with a single
'"' character. You can therefore type '""' to insert '"', should you
ever need to do so. (You can also use 'C-q "' to insert this
character.)
But I don't understand the reported case, unless
"in a document" means only some particular kind
of source document that will be handled in a way
that transforms ``...'' into something else.
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* bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License'
2020-10-25 19:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-03-12 1:07 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-03-12 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2021-03-12 1:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 44211
Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
> Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
>
>> Dunno whether this is actually a bug, but it seems odd.
>>
>> In this node you find this text:
>>
>> Texts. A copy of the license is included in the section entitled ``GNU
>> Free Documentation License''.
>>
>> Should the `` and '' perhaps be rendered differently - perhaps as curly
>> double quotes?
>
> Agreed, they should probably be marked as the other instances of ``text
> quoted like this''.
>
> But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps?
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> It is not a bug. That's what @example does.
So should we replace this with “ and ” or should we close this as
wontfix?
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* bug#44211: 26.3; Repeated `` and '' in Info (eintr)`GNU Free Documentation License'
2021-03-12 1:07 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2021-03-12 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-03-12 8:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 44211
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:07:28 -0600
> Cc: 44211@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com
>
> > But the markup seems correct. Is this a bug in makeinfo perhaps?
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > It is not a bug. That's what @example does.
>
> So should we replace this with “ and ” or should we close this as
> wontfix?
This is a legal blurb we have in all our manuals, so the format there
should be identical and coordinated with the FSF.
But wait a minute: I don't think I understand the bug report anymore,
because of 2 reasons:
. the Texinfo source uses @quotation, not @example, so I'm unsure
why I mentioned @example in my response, likely a mistake on my
part;
. more importantly, the text in the Info file uses “..” quoting
So I now tend to think that Drew was looking at an old version of Info
manuals, which were produced by makeinfo before we started using UTF-8
encoding as the default output encoding of our manuals, and that is
the reason for the original issue.
If I'm right, the bug should be closed as being fixed long ago.
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