From: "B. T. Raven" <nihil@nihilo.net>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: usability problem of emacs describe-mode
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:48:04 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6LadnYjfqeu95DnUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@sysmatrix.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <06245ba5-3e82-4e9a-94c9-a2d1547e2a09@v42g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>
Xah Lee wrote:
> Xah Lee wrote:
> • Usability Problems Of Emacs's Mode Documentation
> http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization_mode_doc.html
>
> On Feb 24, 9:41 am, "B. T. Raven" <ni...@nihilo.net> wrote:
>> Did you look at Andreas' defun?
>
> The issue is a criticism, not about how can i do this or that.
I was going to say, I'll take that as a no, but I see that you have
responded to his posting, after a fashion.
>
> imagine Roger Ebert gives 2 thumbs down on a movie, and you say: “why
> don't you watch other movies instead?”.
Metaphors be with you, Luke.
>
>> There is a constant tension between an application's power and usability
>> and the default behavior of Emacs seems to me to manage the
>> combinatorial explosion of functionalities better than what you have
>> proposed, with a few exceptions.
>
> You have to give reasons Raven.
No, I only have to give testimony. You said that an Emacs feature that I
had never bothered with before was "really unusable." After spending 5
or 10 minutes with it I find that it is eminently usable, but maybe not
by your fictional novice user who has experience only with MS Windows
programs. Who cares? What's the point of nitpicking over Emacs minutiae?
Creative people who aren't satisfied with the way Emacs handles certain
tasks don't endlessly whine about it; they make something, which, if the
powers that be think can be elegantly incorporated into a future
version, is seamlessly added. Instead you sound like you want to stage a
coup or something after your sowing of discontent reaches a critical mass.
>
> Let's focus on this issue, let's not generalized or philosophize.
The issue is still so murky that the only sensible thing to do is
philosophize until we know what we are talking about.
>
> Xah
> ∑ http://xahlee.org/
>
> ☄
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Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <76fcf833-ad89-44f2-b227-e18295317ca2@p13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
2009-02-23 19:14 ` usability problem of emacs describe-mode Zachary Kline
2009-02-23 21:48 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-23 19:27 ` Andreas Politz
2009-02-24 20:36 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-24 23:22 ` Andreas Politz
2009-02-25 19:11 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-23 19:49 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-23 21:35 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-24 17:41 ` B. T. Raven
2009-02-24 20:32 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-24 22:48 ` B. T. Raven [this message]
2009-02-24 23:31 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-25 8:11 ` Kevin Rodgers
2009-02-25 9:17 ` cmr.Pent
2009-02-25 12:11 ` Sébastien Vauban
2009-02-25 12:58 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-25 12:46 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-25 15:04 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.1767.1235574258.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-02-25 19:30 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-25 19:50 ` Teemu Likonen
[not found] ` <e14cdb27-5dcc-4ad4-93ba-81ed6d938b0b@q9g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>
2009-02-26 19:33 ` Improving Emacs (was: usability problem of emacs describe-mode) Teemu Likonen
2009-03-01 23:34 ` Xah Lee
2009-03-02 5:57 ` Improving Emacs Teemu Likonen
2009-02-26 18:24 ` usability problem of emacs describe-mode Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.1878.1235672676.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-02-27 2:21 ` Giorgos Keramidas
[not found] ` <fbf7d92c-ae58-4d1b-83b6-d292df8e95a4@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
2009-02-27 8:44 ` cmr.Pent
2009-02-27 9:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-02-27 9:46 ` David Kastrup
2009-02-27 15:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-02-27 20:34 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-27 21:32 ` David Kastrup
2009-02-27 22:24 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-27 23:55 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-02-28 0:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-02-28 8:57 ` Xah Lee
2009-02-28 15:47 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.2089.1235836078.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-03-02 1:46 ` Xah Lee
2009-03-02 15:50 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.2216.1236009036.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-03-02 21:09 ` Xah Lee
2009-03-02 21:15 ` Xah Lee
[not found] ` <mailman.1728.1235549474.31690.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2009-02-25 19:13 ` Xah Lee
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