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From: Jean-Christophe Helary <brandelune@gmail.com>
To: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: update intro to Emacs Lisp programming
Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 20:20:18 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6FC095B3-5F73-4E17-B2EB-BE9F98E2009E@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1fKcAV-0006u8-CT@fencepost.gnu.org>

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> On May 21, 2018, at 13:11, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> 
>> What I was saying was that in the 80's-90's, ie before computing
>> became widespread thanks to common access to the internet, books
>> needed to be self contained.
> 
> The Emacs Lisp intro should still be self-contained.

Indeed. But since users are likely to read it inside Emacs, as a PDF or as HTML, linking the document to the Lisp Reference or even, where necessary to the Emacs Manual, would provide the learner with a better experience than the current state of the introduction (as I wrote in a different mail, the information in the Lisp Reference is more informative than the help strings in the function documentation).

> It should not depend on reference to anything across the internet,
> since the person reading may not have an internet connection at the
> time of coming across the reference.  Wen people are reading printed copies,
> the book should not say, "To understand the next section, first read
> something else on your computer".

But we should assume that a person who learns Emacs Lisp has access to a machine where Emacs is installed. Thus, providing links to the Lisp Reference or the Emacs Manual should not be an issue.

Jean-Christophe Helary
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http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-05-22 11:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-10 12:03 Making Emacs Manuals Available as PDF Files Siraphob (Ben) Phipathananunth
2018-05-10 14:14 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-05-11  4:32   ` Van L
2018-05-11  6:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-11 21:44       ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-14 10:27         ` update intro to Emacs Lisp programming (was: Making Emacs Manuals Available as PDF Files) Van L
2018-05-15  3:59           ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-17  0:25             ` Van L
2018-05-17  1:12               ` update intro to Emacs Lisp programming Paul Eggert
2018-05-17 11:38                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-05-18  2:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-18 12:16                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-05-18 13:39                       ` Van L
2018-05-18 15:22                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-19  0:00                           ` Van L
2018-05-19  0:52                             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-05-20  1:38                               ` Van L
2018-05-20  3:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-20  3:38                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-20  6:54                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-05-20 10:49                                 ` Siraphob (Ben) Phipathananunth
2018-05-20 23:50                                   ` Van L
2018-05-21  4:12                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-21 15:13                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-21 15:55                                       ` Siraphob (Ben) Phipathananunth
2018-05-22  2:15                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-22  2:43                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-22  2:15                                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-21  4:11                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-21  6:30                                   ` Van L
2018-05-22  2:14                                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-22 11:20                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary [this message]
2018-05-22 18:07                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-22 19:22                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-05-23  3:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-23  5:33                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-23 14:38                                           ` John Wiegley
2018-05-23 15:06                                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-25  2:56                                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-24  2:49                                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-24  4:24                                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-26  3:51                                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-24 16:25                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-30 17:28                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-30 18:58                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2018-05-30 20:17                                           ` John Wiegley
2018-06-02 17:44                                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-23  3:23                                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-20  7:10                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-05-20 11:00                               ` Van L
2018-05-21  4:10                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-22 17:57                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-05-23  1:53                                   ` Van L
2018-05-19  0:48                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-05-20  3:15                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-18  6:46                   ` Van L
2018-05-19  3:20                   ` Improve the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual with intro sections Richard Stallman
2018-05-20  1:04                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2018-05-21  4:09                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-05-18  2:31               ` update intro to Emacs Lisp programming (was: Making Emacs Manuals Available as PDF Files) Richard Stallman
2018-05-18  7:07                 ` Van L

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